Tristan Harris

And if I'm the Chinese Communist Party and I have an ability to go in and sort of steer TikTok and tilt the playing field of what gets recommended, I not only have the ability to steer what people are seeing, I have a 24-7, up-to-the-minute update view of all of the cultural fault lines and divisive issues per political tribe in that country.

And I can do precision targeting of how I want your country's internal divisions to go because you've literally handed them to me on a silver platter. And this, I think, is one of the biggest and most obvious and avoidable mistakes that we could have made. And obviously, TikTok, there has been legislation move forward and that ban looks like it will going forward. I think TikTok is appealing.

And I can do precision targeting of how I want your country's internal divisions to go because you've literally handed them to me on a silver platter. And this, I think, is one of the biggest and most obvious and avoidable mistakes that we could have made. And obviously, TikTok, there has been legislation move forward and that ban looks like it will going forward. I think TikTok is appealing.

And I can do precision targeting of how I want your country's internal divisions to go because you've literally handed them to me on a silver platter. And this, I think, is one of the biggest and most obvious and avoidable mistakes that we could have made. And obviously, TikTok, there has been legislation move forward and that ban looks like it will going forward. I think TikTok is appealing.

And it's not just about TikTok, though. It's just about the systemic environment. On the one hand, you have our apps that are racing to addict and doom scroll our kids and drive anxiety. That's one set of problems. And then we also have the problem of letting our geopolitical competitor control the psychological environment of not just our young people, but our country.

And it's not just about TikTok, though. It's just about the systemic environment. On the one hand, you have our apps that are racing to addict and doom scroll our kids and drive anxiety. That's one set of problems. And then we also have the problem of letting our geopolitical competitor control the psychological environment of not just our young people, but our country.

And it's not just about TikTok, though. It's just about the systemic environment. On the one hand, you have our apps that are racing to addict and doom scroll our kids and drive anxiety. That's one set of problems. And then we also have the problem of letting our geopolitical competitor control the psychological environment of not just our young people, but our country.

And I think people should sort of see how obvious an issue this is and say, we need to move forward and not let this continue. And I hope that that happens in the next administration.

And I think people should sort of see how obvious an issue this is and say, we need to move forward and not let this continue. And I hope that that happens in the next administration.

And I think people should sort of see how obvious an issue this is and say, we need to move forward and not let this continue. And I hope that that happens in the next administration.

And that's just horrible to hear. Murr is always wrong and we should not be using violence, vigilante violence to solve social problems. But it's also not surprising.

And that's just horrible to hear. Murr is always wrong and we should not be using violence, vigilante violence to solve social problems. But it's also not surprising.

And that's just horrible to hear. Murr is always wrong and we should not be using violence, vigilante violence to solve social problems. But it's also not surprising.

We have, again, a psychological environment of social media that is designed for maximizing engagement, which is designed to find every radicalizing cultural issue and then give you an infinite evidence of why it's getting worse and more extreme and why you should take extreme action for everything that you click on.

We have, again, a psychological environment of social media that is designed for maximizing engagement, which is designed to find every radicalizing cultural issue and then give you an infinite evidence of why it's getting worse and more extreme and why you should take extreme action for everything that you click on.

We have, again, a psychological environment of social media that is designed for maximizing engagement, which is designed to find every radicalizing cultural issue and then give you an infinite evidence of why it's getting worse and more extreme and why you should take extreme action for everything that you click on.

know it's like you know whatever your bogeyman is that activates your nervous system i just show you infinite evidence of that bogeyman happening and then it drives up this sort of psychological you know funhouse mirror that we're all living in we've been living in that for 15 years so if you just imagine society going through the washing machine you know getting spun out for 15 years in that environment it's not surprising that we have people more radicalized on more issues everywhere

know it's like you know whatever your bogeyman is that activates your nervous system i just show you infinite evidence of that bogeyman happening and then it drives up this sort of psychological you know funhouse mirror that we're all living in we've been living in that for 15 years so if you just imagine society going through the washing machine you know getting spun out for 15 years in that environment it's not surprising that we have people more radicalized on more issues everywhere

know it's like you know whatever your bogeyman is that activates your nervous system i just show you infinite evidence of that bogeyman happening and then it drives up this sort of psychological you know funhouse mirror that we're all living in we've been living in that for 15 years so if you just imagine society going through the washing machine you know getting spun out for 15 years in that environment it's not surprising that we have people more radicalized on more issues everywhere

And the point is, this doesn't have to be this way. Imagine if we went back to 2010 and we said, before we go down this decade and a half of maximizing for attention and engagement, imagine we never did that. Imagine somehow we put strict limits on maximizing engagement and said, instead, you got to show us something else you're maximizing.