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Tristan Harris

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The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967

And the point is, this doesn't have to be this way. Imagine if we went back to 2010 and we said, before we go down this decade and a half of maximizing for attention and engagement, imagine we never did that. Imagine somehow we put strict limits on maximizing engagement and said, instead, you got to show us something else you're maximizing.

The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967

And the point is, this doesn't have to be this way. Imagine if we went back to 2010 and we said, before we go down this decade and a half of maximizing for attention and engagement, imagine we never did that. Imagine somehow we put strict limits on maximizing engagement and said, instead, you got to show us something else you're maximizing.

The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967

For kids apps, you got to be showing transparently, just like Elon showing what the algorithm of Twitter does. We have to transparently show what are you doing to make children's psychological environment better, but you can't maximize for engagement. And imagine we did something totally different.

The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967

For kids apps, you got to be showing transparently, just like Elon showing what the algorithm of Twitter does. We have to transparently show what are you doing to make children's psychological environment better, but you can't maximize for engagement. And imagine we did something totally different.

The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967

For kids apps, you got to be showing transparently, just like Elon showing what the algorithm of Twitter does. We have to transparently show what are you doing to make children's psychological environment better, but you can't maximize for engagement. And imagine we did something totally different.

The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967

How different would our world feel if we had not been personalizing these boogeyman psychological stimuli for the last 15 years? And I think it would feel very different and we could still do that. It's very entrenched with social media now, but that's not too late to change it. We just need to have the fortitude to do it.

The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967

How different would our world feel if we had not been personalizing these boogeyman psychological stimuli for the last 15 years? And I think it would feel very different and we could still do that. It's very entrenched with social media now, but that's not too late to change it. We just need to have the fortitude to do it.

The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967

How different would our world feel if we had not been personalizing these boogeyman psychological stimuli for the last 15 years? And I think it would feel very different and we could still do that. It's very entrenched with social media now, but that's not too late to change it. We just need to have the fortitude to do it.

The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967

Yeah, for parents, it's first just to say I really empathize. It's a hard world out there, but there are great resources available. The Anxious Generation, John Haidt's website has a bunch of really great up-to-date resources for parents. There's a great group that we also helped get started called Moms Against Media Addiction or MAMA. And parents can join that group.

The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967

Yeah, for parents, it's first just to say I really empathize. It's a hard world out there, but there are great resources available. The Anxious Generation, John Haidt's website has a bunch of really great up-to-date resources for parents. There's a great group that we also helped get started called Moms Against Media Addiction or MAMA. And parents can join that group.

The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967

Yeah, for parents, it's first just to say I really empathize. It's a hard world out there, but there are great resources available. The Anxious Generation, John Haidt's website has a bunch of really great up-to-date resources for parents. There's a great group that we also helped get started called Moms Against Media Addiction or MAMA. And parents can join that group.

The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967

And they advocate for actually changes in different states to state laws to help protect, you know, better design policies for social media in different states. And, you know, we have some resources on our website, humainetech.com. You know, everybody who saw the social dilemma, we have resources for educators, for parents, just educating people about the nature.

The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967

And they advocate for actually changes in different states to state laws to help protect, you know, better design policies for social media in different states. And, you know, we have some resources on our website, humainetech.com. You know, everybody who saw the social dilemma, we have resources for educators, for parents, just educating people about the nature.

The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967

And they advocate for actually changes in different states to state laws to help protect, you know, better design policies for social media in different states. And, you know, we have some resources on our website, humainetech.com. You know, everybody who saw the social dilemma, we have resources for educators, for parents, just educating people about the nature.

The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967

Because, you know, the example you gave of NFL scores, while it's addictive, it's You don't have a thousand engineers behind the glass screen who every day tweak the design with AI to perfectly maximize and keep your kid doom scrolling the NFL scores. But you do have that with social media and you do have that with character.ai.

The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967

Because, you know, the example you gave of NFL scores, while it's addictive, it's You don't have a thousand engineers behind the glass screen who every day tweak the design with AI to perfectly maximize and keep your kid doom scrolling the NFL scores. But you do have that with social media and you do have that with character.ai.

The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967

Because, you know, the example you gave of NFL scores, while it's addictive, it's You don't have a thousand engineers behind the glass screen who every day tweak the design with AI to perfectly maximize and keep your kid doom scrolling the NFL scores. But you do have that with social media and you do have that with character.ai.

The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967

So there is a distinction and that's the kind of stuff that I think we need more parents knowing about spreading, starting school groups, starting moms against media chapters in your own state. There is change that's possible, but I think parents do have to get organized.

The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967

So there is a distinction and that's the kind of stuff that I think we need more parents knowing about spreading, starting school groups, starting moms against media chapters in your own state. There is change that's possible, but I think parents do have to get organized.

The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK and Hegseth's Path to Confirmation, and Dangers of AI, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Tristan Harris | Ep. 967

So there is a distinction and that's the kind of stuff that I think we need more parents knowing about spreading, starting school groups, starting moms against media chapters in your own state. There is change that's possible, but I think parents do have to get organized.