Tristan Harris

And yet there's so many issues that you find out about.

There's all these new things that are coming to market, but then they're not actually even available to your spouse or your loved one when they get this.

And so I think one of the things we're going to talk about is there are many ways technology can help advance biomedical science, but is the specific path of building super intelligent AI that is reasoning with a massive data center across everything, is that the specific vehicle

that'll get us there.

And you wrote this essay that I really want to encourage people to check out.

Why did you write this essay?

What was the kind of motivating purpose here?

And for listeners, ASI is artificial superintelligence, which is an AI system that is more intelligent and powerful than all of humanity's intelligence combined.

You are not anti-AI for cancer.

You just think there's a totally different approach we could be taking.

And first, we have to understand the problems with our current approach and then give people the hope that there actually is a totally different way we could be applying AI.

that would actually get us to the outcomes that we're all looking for, as opposed to false promises to sell investors and keep pumping up your data centers.

Yeah, I'm just brought back to my memory of going to Senator Chuck Schumer's AI Insight Forum.

It was this historic event where they invited all the CEOs, Elon, Jensen, Mark Zuckerberg, Sam Altman, Bill Gates, all in one room.

And he and I were there with a handful of civil society groups.

And I remember talking to some of the Senate staff up beforehand, before we went up there.

And one of the things you heard from, I think it was Senator Mike Rounds, was just because they had family with cancer, that there's this thing, you and I have talked about it, that people kind of turn these puppy dog eyes of like, but it could cure cancer.

And there's this like hope of like, well, that literally would just eclipse any other

reason to slow down, right?

If it's life and death, we do anything to save that person.