Tristan Harris

And then really what happened is ChatGPT came out, and as you said, that was the starting gun, and now everybody was in an all-out race to get there first.

I felt the same, by the way.

Some people might think that I'm some kind of AI enthusiast and I'm trying to – I didn't believe that AI was a thing to be worried about at all until suddenly the last two, three years where you can actually see where we're headed.

But –

Oh man, there's just, there's so much to say about all this.

So if you think about it from their perspective, it's like best case scenario, I build it first and it's aligned and controllable, meaning that it will take the actions that I want.

It won't destroy humanity and it's controllable, which means I get to be God and emperor of the world.

Second scenario, it's not controllable, but it's aligned.

So I built a god and I lost control of it, but it's now basically it's running humanity.

It's running the show.

It's choosing what happens.

It's out competing everyone on everything.

That's not that bad an outcome.

Third scenario, it's not aligned.

It's not controllable, and it does wipe everybody out.

And that should be demotivating to that person, to an Elon or someone.

But in that scenario, they were the one that birthed the digital god that replaced all of humanity.

This is really important to get because in nuclear weapons, the risk of nuclear war is an omni-lose-lose outcome.

Everyone wants to avoid that.

And I know that you know that I know that we both want to avoid that.