Tristan Harris

If everybody knows that everybody else knows, we can steer this to a different future.

Like just to give people an example, Jonathan Haidt, who wrote The Anxious Generation, you know, the first country that did the social media bans under 15 or 16 was Australia.

And he just talked about this on Bill Maher recently that-

What that did is it created an example of something that everybody was actually wanting to do, but felt like it was too extreme until Australia did it.

And now literally 25% of the world's population represented by countries is moving to the social media ban.

Just this last week, Indonesia and India, some of the largest countries, are implementing a social media ban for kids under 15 or 16.

you can pull the train back into the station.

If people say the train's left the station, you can pull the train back into the station if it creates a future that we don't actually want.

You can't un-invent social media.

But we can say, what are the steering limits and brakes that we want to apply to this technology before we get to a full anti-human future that we can't actually reverse out of?

I'm happy to hear you reference these examples.

These are important.

Yeah.

Which is what you're really getting to here is what Carl Sagan was referring to when he talked about our technological adolescence.

The conversation we're having isn't really about AI.

It's about what happens when we have increasingly powerful, dangerous, and destructive technology.

Because as humanity progresses, whether AI existed or not, we're going to get more and more powerful technology.

that would cover more and more dangerous and destructive things that you could do with it.

Like we didn't have the ability to do CRISPR and bioweapons, you know, 20 years ago.

Now we do have that ability and we're going to get more and more dangerous and destructive things.