Tristan Harris

I would, just so people hear me say this, I agree with you that the current experience of AI is not net negative.

It doesn't feel that way.

But that doesn't mean that there's a net negative outcome that we are racing towards.

I think it's about understanding context and what is the careful and limited way that these tools are helpful, and then creating the conditions where that's the collective outcome that we're getting.

So for example...

For kids in tutoring, theoretically, this is the best tutor in the world for learning.

I mean, I think that it has enormous potential.

If you look at how most kids are using ChatGPT right now, they're using it to cheat on their homework and to actually outsource their thinking.

And actually, because they use it so much, turning into what some Atlantic writer wrote called...

Or LL Emmings where they basically outsource all of their thinking for every moment to moment decision in their day about how I should respond to this person or there's a guy over there I want to talk to and I don't know what to like whatever the thing is people are outsourcing their decision and they're not actually learning themselves.

how to show up as a human.

And that is not going to create a safe world.

Again, that's a version of the narrative, the possible of a technology that we're promised and then the probable of what's actually happening.

Yes, exactly.

And we saw this with social media.

We thought it was going to create the most enlightened and informed society in the entire world because we have the best information.

It wrecked our attention and we have the most confirmation bias, tribalized, low trust, worst critical thinking society that we've had in a generation.

And so again, I think this is just about

part of the wisdom we need is to be able to look honestly at the nature of a technology and look honestly and confront ourselves with the reality of how technology is currently being used and deployed.

And if it's driving up, you know, a social media influencer culture instead of creating astronauts, like, you know, in China, they pulled the top