Tristan Harris

When we say they're going to keep building it, the it that they would keep building is the same uncontrollable AI that we would build.

So I don't see a way out of this without there being some kind of agreement or negotiation between the leading powers and countries to –

Pause, slow down, set red lines for getting to a controllable AI.

And by the way, the Chinese Communist Party, what do they care about more than anything else in the world?

Surviving.

Surviving and control.

Control as a means to survive.

So they don't want uncontrollable AI any more than we would.

And as unprecedented and as impossible as this might seem, we've done this before.

In the 1980s, there was a different technology, chemical technology, called CFCs, chlorofluorocarbons.

And it was embedded in aerosols like hairsprays and deodorant and things like that.

And there was this sort of corporate race where everyone was releasing these products and using it for refrigerants and using it for hairsprays.

And it was creating this collective problem of the ozone hole in the atmosphere.

And once there is scientific clarity that that ozone hole would cause skin cancers, cataracts, and sort of screw up biological life on planet Earth, we had that scientific clarity and we created the Montreal Protocol.

195 countries signed on to that protocol.

And the countries then regulated their private companies inside those countries to say we need to phase out that technology and phase in a different replacement that would not cause the ozone hole.

And in the course of the last 20 years, we have basically completely reversed that problem.

I think it'll completely reverse by 2050 or something like that.

And that's an example where humanity can coordinate when we have clarity.

Or the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.