Tristan Harris

But the point is, we should do something.

In China, they're regulating anthropomorphic AI to not to not do all the attachment hacking and the suicides and all this kind of stuff.

I'm not saying what they're doing is good.

I'm just saying they're doing things.

We're not doing anything.

And we can.

And the purpose of the human movement is to actually be demanding.

You can actually go and call your legislator and say that you do not want this anti-human future.

You want accountability for AI companies.

You want to ban legal personhood for AI.

You want no anthropomorphic AI so that we don't get the child safety issues with AI chatbots.

Well, you are conjuring a thought experiment from Nick Bostrom, which I'm sure you're aware of.

And the paper you're referring to is the Vulnerable World Hypothesis, in which he says that as we discover more and more technologies that in a decentralized way have the capacity to destroy things, so like your example of

If it turned out that microwaving sand created a nuclear reaction that blew up the entire world and we publish that knowledge and it spread virally on social media, how many minutes, hours, or seconds would it take before the world blew up?

And then the only answer to a distributed, available to everybody destructive capacity would be a global totalitarian society that monitors and surveils everyone and what they're doing.

So you prevented mass destruction, but you got 1984 Big Brother, and that's an uncheckable power that people cannot fight back against.

I am very worried about mass surveillance.

I think that what happened with Anthropic is hopefully bootloading a global immune system to the risks of AI-enhanced mass surveillance.

Because in a way, Big Brother could have never happened without AI.

When you have an AI that can process every camera and every face and all of the emails and text messages that are flowing through everything, and you can actually ask the question as a state, who are the number one threats in my society that I need to suppress?