Tristan Harris

There aren't people joining the labs being like, oh, this is way safer than I thought.

We're only getting evidence in the opposite direction.

Exactly, exactly.

And just to, I know we're probably wrapping up here, but something that inspires me, especially being on the kind of roadshow for the film right now, is that

When you're in a physical room and people have been exposed to the same information and you walk them through the basic facts and you ask people, who here feels stoked about where all this is going?

Not a single hand.

Peter Diamandis feels stoked.

I don't know.

I don't know.

You know, he texted me after seeing the film and he said, I really liked the film.

You know, I know he's got conflicting incentives there, but we've got to find a way to build alliances and steer away before it's too late.

Not everyone's going to have the same incentives to speak as openly, honestly, and bluntly as I think is needed.

But I'm grateful that you are out there and honestly were the early one who had me, you know, even to this topic.

I don't know how it feels for you since you have been so early in naming all this and then watching it all happen, but...

What would have dominated a news cycle for a month now barely captures our attention for two hours because the next outrage is so much more outrageous than the last thing that you just, you know, I mean, you could argue, as we said in the social dilemma, this that's why the social media problem and the attention problem is the problem underneath all problems because our ability to sustain attention on a topic and know that it persistently is the number one thing that we have to deal with.

Yeah, that is the thing that social media breaks.

Exactly.

That's right.

That's right.

And I do think that there's this effect with AI and we named it in our first AI dilemma talk in 2023 is, and I called it the rubber band effect.