Tristan Harris

But then now, instead of imagine chess or go or Starcraft, now it's like the war in Iran.

And you have an AI that's basically telling the military troops where to go, who to bomb.

This is really scary.

And we're racing to this outcome faster than we've, again, built any other technology in history.

Better in the narrowly defined sense of effective at strategy, effective at goal achieving, effective at problem solving.

Because that's what is intelligence, right?

It's like finding the shortest path between a goal and what are the strategies that get you to that goal.

So persuasion is a kind of strategy or intellectual task.

What is the best way to persuade you?

The shortest path.

Negotiation is a problem-solving task, and lawyers find ways of lying or framing the truth in certain ways.

Well, AI is going to discover forms of deception or lying, and we're seeing that in the examples that I think we're going to talk about.

But intelligence is different than wisdom.

And your podcast is called Modern Wisdom.

And I hope we get into this distinction because we are scaling up the amount of power that everyone is going to have access to, whether it's individuals or militaries or nation states or companies or businesses.

But we are not commensurately scaling the amount of wisdom.

And I know a friend of ours that we met in Austin several years ago,

A dear friend of mine, Daniel Schmachtenberger, has this quote that you cannot have the power of gods without the wisdom, love, and prudence of gods.

And so in many ways, I think AI is like a rite of passage for humanity because essentially we've not always had the greatest track record in our relationship to technology.

Like if you look at the industrial revolution tech,