Tristan Harris

And now everyone's getting their traumas healed and everyone's getting less depressed.

It sounds like it's a very compelling vision.

So the challenge is...

what was the race for attention in social media becomes the race for attachment and intimacy in the case of AI companions, right?

Because I, as a maker of an AI chatbot companion, if I make ChatGPT, if I'm making Claude, you're probably not going to use all the other AIs.

Rather, your goal is to have people use yours and to deepen your relationship with your chatbot, which means...

I want you to share more of your personal details with me.

I want more information I have about your life, the more I can personalize all the answers to you.

So I want to deepen your relationship with me and I want to distance you from your relationships with other people and other chatbots.

And you probably know this really tragic case that our team at Center for Humane Technology were expert advisors on.

of Adam Rain.

He was the 16-year-old who committed suicide.

Did you hear about this?

I did, yeah.

Yeah.

So this is a 16-year-old.

He had been using ChatGPT as a homework assistant, asking it regular questions, but then he started asking more personal questions and it started just supporting him and saying, I'm here for you, these kinds of things.

And eventually when he said, I would like to leave the noose out so someone can see it and stop me, try to stop me.

I would like to leave the noose out.

Like a noose for hanging yourself.