Tristan Harris

And we're already seeing examples of that even though we don't even have the advertising-based business model.

Yes.

Which is concerning.

There only seems to be one direction of this trend, which is that more people are leaving, not staying and saying, yeah, we're doing more safety and doing it right.

The only one company that seems to be getting all the safety people when they leave, and that's Anthropic.

So for people who don't know the history, Dario Amadei was the CEO of Anthropic, a big AI company.

He worked on safety at OpenAI.

And he left to start Anthropic because he said, we're not doing this safely enough.

I have to start another company that's all about safety.

And so, and ironically, that's how OpenAI started.

OpenAI started because Sam Altman and Elon looked at Google, which is building DeepMind, and they heard from Larry Page that he didn't care about the human species.

He's like, well, it'd be fine if the digital god took over.

And Elon was very surprised to hear that.

He said, I don't trust Larry to care about AI safety.

And so they started OpenAI to do AI safely relative to Google.

And then Dario did it relative to OpenAI.

And as they all started these new safety AI companies, that set off a race for everyone to go even faster and therefore being an even worse steward of the thing that they're claiming deserves more discernment and care and safety.

There's this thing that happens in this conversation, which is that people, they just feel kind of gutted and they feel like once you see it clearly, if you do see it clearly, what often happens is people feel like there's nothing that we can do.

And I think there's this trade where like either you're not really aware of all of this and then you just think about the positives, but you're not really facing the situation.

Or if you do face the situation, you do take it on as real, then you feel powerless.