Tristan Harris

But I think the point is like-

how much as companies are competing, you're asking what they're competing for.

It's not just like the best screen time.

It's also like, what is the fit, the ergonomic fit between screen time and a life well-lived?

Just imagine like in a timeline of there you are in a week in your life, like,

not asking based on what you're doing now, but retrospectively, what would be a life well lived when it comes to how much and when screen time is fitting into your life?

And it's probably like a much smaller footprint than it currently is for most people.

It's probably like a fourth of what it currently is for most people.

And so if you were designing technology from care, from love, from, you know, in a humane way,

you would have design choices that are not about keeping people on the screen.

And that might mean some pretty radical things.

I mean, my co-founder, Aza Raskin, he also invented the infinite scroll.

So that's the, you know, it sounds so obvious now because infinite scroll is just what we live in.

But when he invented it, it was 2006.

It was before mobile phones.

And it was when in the age of Google results, you had like the 10 Google results and you had to click on, I want the next 10.

Or you had the Yelp review pages and you wanted the next 10.

Or you read a blog post and then you'd have to like click, go back to the main page to click on which blog post you want.

And the idea he had was, well, what if as the internet got dynamic with JavaScript, what if when you finished, when you get to the end of the blog post, it just auto loads the next article that you could go to.

Or what if when you got to the end of the search results, it just shows you more search results?