Tristan Harris

But that is the challenge you're talking about is that we have to make a choice to go on a different path before we get to the outcome of this path.

Because with AI, it's an exponential.

So you either act too early or too late, but it's happening so quickly.

You don't want to wait until the last moment to act.

And so I thought you were going to go in the direction where you talked about grandma, you know, getting sucked into conspiracies on social media.

The longer we wait with AI, it is part of the AI psychosis phenomenon.

It's driving AI cults and AI religions where people feel that the actual way out of this is to protect the AI and that the AI is going to solve all of our problems.

There's some people who believe that, by the way, that the best way out of this is that AI will run the world and run humanity because we're so bad at governing it ourselves.

Yep.

I mean, you're going to see this.

AI CEOs, AI board members, AI mayors.

And so what would it take for this to not feel theoretical?

Honestly?

Yeah.

You were kind of referring to a catastrophe, some kind of adverse event.

And I think as you're referring to, there are probably people you and I both know who and I think a lot of people in the industry believe that it won't be until there's a catastrophe that we will actually choose another path.

I'm here because I don't want us to make that choice.

I mean, I don't want us to wait for that.

It is.

So that is the fundamental issue here, is that E.O.