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Tristan Harris

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Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

Where he's talking about the average person has only like two or three close relationships.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

Like people are so lonely.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

He's like, oh, but then we thought that there was a real solution to this.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

We could give people, you know, 11 AI friends and different friends and that this will quote solve loneliness.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

A problem that he created, by the way, that social media writ large by maximizing engagement, which means maximizing how many hours you spend by yourself on a screen, not talking to people, which means being inside on a Tuesday night, not texting your friends to be out, which means basically maximizing loneliness.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

Loneliness is a direct consequence with the maximize engagement economy.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

Facebook and Instagram and all of that have massively fed into the trend of loneliness.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

And then he's saying, we need to solve that with more technology.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

So this is like a, this is like a company that's generating cancer on one side of the balance sheet and then selling you solutions to cancer on the other side of the balance sheet.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

No, no, no, it won't.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

Which is why the whole thing here is the answer is we have to coordinate.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

In the film, the AI doc, there's just moments like, what do we have to do?

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

And there's like 10 voices at the same time saying, coordinate.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

Like we have to coordinate.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

That's part of the solution is you have to collectively say, what is the rule that would benefit everybody

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

to do the better thing, even though short term, we might lose something tiny, like how many videos you get to go through in five minutes or something like that.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

Basically, this was a paper by some AI research by the company Alibaba.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

It's one of the leading Chinese models.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

And they basically randomly discovered in one morning that their firewall had flagged a burst of security policy violations originating from their training server.

Modern Wisdom
#1079 - Tristan Harris - AI Expert Warns: “This Is The Last Mistake We’ll Ever Make”

So what people need to get about this example is...