Tristan Harris

Because I really do think that if everybody knows that everybody else knows, then we would choose something different.

And I know that at an individual level, there you are in a mammal hearing this, and it's like you just don't feel how that's going to change.

And it will always feel that way as an individual.

It will always feel impossible until the big change happens, before the civil rights movement happened.

Did it feel like that was easy and that was going to happen?

It always feels impossible before the big changes happen.

And that when it does happen, it's because thousands of people worked very hard ongoingly every day to make that unlikely change happen.

Let me, I think there's a couple of things.

Listen, I'm not naive.

This is super fucking hard.

Yeah, I know.

Yeah.

You know, I'm not... But it's like either something's going to happen and we're going to make it happen or we're just all going to live in this like collective denial passivity.

It's too big.

And there's something about...

a couple of things.

One solidarity.

If you know that other people see and feel the same thing that you do, that's how I keep going is that other people are aware of this and we're working every day to try to make a different path possible.

And I think that part of what people have to feel is the grief for the situation.

Um,