Tristan Harris

I just want to say it by being real.

Like underneath feeling the grief is the love that you have for the world that you're concerned about is being threatened.

And I think there's something about when you show the examples of AI blackmailing people or doing crazy stuff in the world that we do not know how to control.

Just think for a moment, if you're a Chinese military general,

Do you think that you see that and say, I'm stoked?

You feel scared and a kind of humility in the same way that if you're a US military general, you would also feel scared.

But then we forget that mammalian, we have a kind of amnesia for the common mammalian humility and fear that arises from a bad outcome that no one actually wants.

And so, you know, people might say that the U.S.

and China negotiating something would be impossible or that China would never do this, for example.

Let me remind you that, you know, one thing that happened is in 2023, the Chinese leadership directly asked the Biden administration to add something else to the agenda, which was to add AI risk to the agenda.

And they ultimately agreed on keeping AI out of the nuclear command and control system.

What that shows is that when two countries believe that there's actually existential consequences, even when they're in maximum rivalry and conflict and competition, they can still collaborate on existential safety.

India and Pakistan in the 1960s were in a shooting war.

They were kinetically in conflict with each other.

And they had the Indus Water Treaty, which lasted for 60 years, where they collaborated on the existential safety of their water supply, even while they were in shooting conflict.

We have done hard things before.

We did the Montreal Protocol when you could have just said, oh, this is inevitable.

I guess the ozone hole is just going to kill everybody, and I guess there's nothing we can do.

Or nuclear nonproliferation.

If you were there at the birth of the atomic bomb, you might have said, there's nothing we can do.