Tristan Redman

I'm really curious to know what that experience is like.

I mean, how do you judge how to phrase things and how hard to push?

You work, Steve, under incredibly challenging and dangerous conditions in Moscow.

Why do you think you've been able to stay there for so long?

One of the things you said earlier really struck me is that you want to see how the story ends.

I wonder if you could say more about what you mean by that.

Well, Steve, I'm going to give you my own double-headed eagle.

On the one hand, I do not think you look like a defecating squirrel.

But on the other hand, I do respect the imagery of the phrase.

It's very inventive as a...

As an insult.

Bye now.

That was Steve Rosenberg, the BBC's Russia editor.

We also spoke to Steve back on the 19th of September.

He told us all about his deep love of the Eurovision Song Contest and why President Putin has created his own rival competition.

You can find that episode in our feed.

And if you want to catch up on the latest news from around the world, then look for our sister show, The Global News Podcast, wherever you listen.

And for listeners outside the USA, you can watch Steve's film Our Man in Moscow Inside Putin's Russia on the BBC News YouTube channel.

And that's it for this episode of Global Story.

Today's show was produced by Sam Chandrasak.