Troy Baker

Like we've talked about so many times, how do we adapt these key important events and these characters into this thing? But what was it like for you revisiting this from a different perspective?

Like we've talked about so many times, how do we adapt these key important events and these characters into this thing? But what was it like for you revisiting this from a different perspective?

So much of this really started with the impetus of, you told me this once, What do I look like if this were to happen to me? What do I look like if I were to lose my daughter? So, so much of this is you as the main character. And I think for all of us that are experiencing this, we get to see ourselves as Joel, we get to see ourselves as Ellie, and with this season,

So much of this really started with the impetus of, you told me this once, What do I look like if this were to happen to me? What do I look like if I were to lose my daughter? So, so much of this is you as the main character. And I think for all of us that are experiencing this, we get to see ourselves as Joel, we get to see ourselves as Ellie, and with this season,

we will also get to see ourselves as Abby. Let's talk about Abby a little bit. We open up with this dream sequence where we watch Abby witness the aftermath of the hospital scene, the massacre that takes place in Salt Lake, and we learn a little bit more about what's driving her.

we will also get to see ourselves as Abby. Let's talk about Abby a little bit. We open up with this dream sequence where we watch Abby witness the aftermath of the hospital scene, the massacre that takes place in Salt Lake, and we learn a little bit more about what's driving her.

Tell me about this dream.

Tell me about this dream.

After watching the episode, I'm wrestling with it. I guess in some way, kind of like what Abby's experiencing, there's the event that I've witnessed, and now there is the experiencing, the processing of that event. And even just hearing what you said, something that I think I've glossed over, don't go in there. Don't go in there. His brains are on the floor.

After watching the episode, I'm wrestling with it. I guess in some way, kind of like what Abby's experiencing, there's the event that I've witnessed, and now there is the experiencing, the processing of that event. And even just hearing what you said, something that I think I've glossed over, don't go in there. Don't go in there. His brains are on the floor.

Neil, you've said something before to where one of the reasons why people have struggled with this is because it's not fair. It's not right. Or even more so, someone goes, well, no, I get it. That's what Joel deserves. But you said that's not how this world operates.

Neil, you've said something before to where one of the reasons why people have struggled with this is because it's not fair. It's not right. Or even more so, someone goes, well, no, I get it. That's what Joel deserves. But you said that's not how this world operates.

Would I be strong enough to take myself to the extremity of my own humanity for the purpose of saving her?

Would I be strong enough to take myself to the extremity of my own humanity for the purpose of saving her?

Right, but now she's witnessed it.

Right, but now she's witnessed it.

For me, as someone who knows what's coming, the one thing you still manage to do in that scene with Joel, leading up to it, Owen says, when asked, what's the plan? He says, the plan is to talk her out of this and to go back. you gave me hope that maybe what she set out to do, she wouldn't achieve.

For me, as someone who knows what's coming, the one thing you still manage to do in that scene with Joel, leading up to it, Owen says, when asked, what's the plan? He says, the plan is to talk her out of this and to go back. you gave me hope that maybe what she set out to do, she wouldn't achieve.

And then there's a moment, Bella's performance is so powerful that for a second, because she believed, I believed, Joel was gonna stand up, brush himself off.

And then there's a moment, Bella's performance is so powerful that for a second, because she believed, I believed, Joel was gonna stand up, brush himself off.