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He has loved the tool for decades, and he tried to do a more aggressive tariff regime in the first term, but was held back by some advisors.

And so he is going to be very, very disappointed, to put it mildly, if the Supreme Court overrules tariffs

his ability to do this.

He likes the unilateral aspect of it.

We've seen throughout his presidency.

He likes to sign executive orders.

He doesn't like to defer to other agencies or to Congress.

And he is very focused, as we talked about earlier, on foreign policy.

And so if his ability to institute tariffs is rolled back by the Supreme Court, he's going to be extremely angry.

And it's unclear what his strategy is going to be.

Maybe he'll try to go through the process of getting approval from Congress.

But as Julie said, they're not all so interested in his current posture.

Yeah, look, Michael, what we can point to is what the Transportation Secretary, Sean Duffy, said, which was that the reductions were an attempt to, quote, alleviate the pressure on air traffic controllers.

Prior to these cuts, we've seen flight delays, flight cancellations, because air traffic controllers are working without pay.

And in previous shutdowns, we've seen that they just start calling in sick and don't show up to work because they don't want to work without getting paid.

Right.

But also, Michael, to your point, the way that shutdowns often end is through political pain points.

One of the biggest ones is the troops not getting paid.

The president has sort of taken that off the table.

Right, you explained that in our last roundtable, how he worked around that.