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Something that was really interesting, Josh, you know, this is trials of the future, right? 2025, apparently someone from Lenawee County posted on a Justice for Dee Facebook page, you know, how giving tips on how to be a stealth juror. Can you explain that for us?

Yeah, me too. This is the first I'm hearing of this. Josh, how did the judge react to all the things we just talked about that were brought up by the defense?

Yeah, me too. This is the first I'm hearing of this. Josh, how did the judge react to all the things we just talked about that were brought up by the defense?

Fair enough. And Josh, the defense also wanted to stop a prosecution witness from testifying?

Fair enough. And Josh, the defense also wanted to stop a prosecution witness from testifying?

Always so much going on before a trial actually starts. That's what I think people don't realize. Josh, so when can we expect Dale to go to trial?

Always so much going on before a trial actually starts. That's what I think people don't realize. Josh, so when can we expect Dale to go to trial?

Josh, you're working on another season of Missing in America, your podcast, which just, I have to say, won a Webby. Congratulations.

Josh, you're working on another season of Missing in America, your podcast, which just, I have to say, won a Webby. Congratulations.

Well, you're doing really good work. And we will have you back to talk more about that. Josh, thank you so much for joining us and bringing us this update on D. Warner. We appreciate it.

Well, you're doing really good work. And we will have you back to talk more about that. Josh, thank you so much for joining us and bringing us this update on D. Warner. We appreciate it.

Up next, we've got some big updates in Dateline Roundup. Angry emails in the murder trial of former Major League Baseball pitcher Dan Serafini. The dramatic moment in court that led to a delay in Lori Vallow Daybell's latest trial. And justice for Crystal Rogers' family. Plus, we're joined by a courtroom sketch artist. Welcome back.

Up next, we've got some big updates in Dateline Roundup. Angry emails in the murder trial of former Major League Baseball pitcher Dan Serafini. The dramatic moment in court that led to a delay in Lori Vallow Daybell's latest trial. And justice for Crystal Rogers' family. Plus, we're joined by a courtroom sketch artist. Welcome back.

For this week's Roundup, we're joined by Dateline producer Rachel White. Hey, Rachel. Hey, Andrea. So, Rachel, for our first story, we are headed back to a Kentucky courtroom for an update on the trial of Steve Lawson, one of three men charged in connection to the murder of 35-year-old Crystal Rogers. Rachel, we talked about this case last week. I know you've been in the courtroom.

For this week's Roundup, we're joined by Dateline producer Rachel White. Hey, Rachel. Hey, Andrea. So, Rachel, for our first story, we are headed back to a Kentucky courtroom for an update on the trial of Steve Lawson, one of three men charged in connection to the murder of 35-year-old Crystal Rogers. Rachel, we talked about this case last week. I know you've been in the courtroom.

Just give our listeners a quick refresher on this one.

Just give our listeners a quick refresher on this one.

No arrests were made until 2023, eight years later. Her boyfriend, who you mentioned, and two other men, a father and son by the names of Steve and Joseph Lawson, they were all charged in connection with her murder. So Steve's trial was up first. What charges was he looking at?

No arrests were made until 2023, eight years later. Her boyfriend, who you mentioned, and two other men, a father and son by the names of Steve and Joseph Lawson, they were all charged in connection with her murder. So Steve's trial was up first. What charges was he looking at?

Steve pleaded not guilty and took the stand in his defense last week, which is something we don't always see with defendants. What did he have to say?