Unnamed Speaker 1

That was the time, you know, in the mid-1980s. Yeah, it convinced me to study DMT. Why haven't you done it since? I haven't really felt the urge to or the need to. It was so intense. I mean, you do take a risk entering into such an intense experience. And I thought I had really done well with the first one and I would just leave it at that.

That was the time, you know, in the mid-1980s. Yeah, it convinced me to study DMT. Why haven't you done it since? I haven't really felt the urge to or the need to. It was so intense. I mean, you do take a risk entering into such an intense experience. And I thought I had really done well with the first one and I would just leave it at that.

That was the time, you know, in the mid-1980s. Yeah, it convinced me to study DMT. Why haven't you done it since? I haven't really felt the urge to or the need to. It was so intense. I mean, you do take a risk entering into such an intense experience. And I thought I had really done well with the first one and I would just leave it at that.

It's kind of like, I guess, attaining the mountaintop the first time, so there didn't seem to be any need to repeat that.

It's kind of like, I guess, attaining the mountaintop the first time, so there didn't seem to be any need to repeat that.

It's kind of like, I guess, attaining the mountaintop the first time, so there didn't seem to be any need to repeat that.

Right. My Altered States.

Right. My Altered States.

Right. My Altered States.

That came out in December.

That came out in December.

That came out in December.

Just once, 1986 or so. Yeah, I was at the point of ending my melatonin research and I didn't know what to do. I was speaking at a conference and I was speaking about DMT in the pineal gland. And that's when Terrence came up and said, would you like to smoke some DMT? Yeah, so I said, sure.

Just once, 1986 or so. Yeah, I was at the point of ending my melatonin research and I didn't know what to do. I was speaking at a conference and I was speaking about DMT in the pineal gland. And that's when Terrence came up and said, would you like to smoke some DMT? Yeah, so I said, sure.

Just once, 1986 or so. Yeah, I was at the point of ending my melatonin research and I didn't know what to do. I was speaking at a conference and I was speaking about DMT in the pineal gland. And that's when Terrence came up and said, would you like to smoke some DMT? Yeah, so I said, sure.

Yeah, I went to a room. I had some good friends around.

Yeah, I went to a room. I had some good friends around.

Yeah, I went to a room. I had some good friends around.

Well, I was looking for an endogenous compound for spiritual experience. I kind of came up with this fascination in college that believing that there was a part of the brain or a substance the brain made that created spiritual experience that spiritual experiences which were like the psychedelic drug one and spiritual experiences like those brought about by meditation.

Well, I was looking for an endogenous compound for spiritual experience. I kind of came up with this fascination in college that believing that there was a part of the brain or a substance the brain made that created spiritual experience that spiritual experiences which were like the psychedelic drug one and spiritual experiences like those brought about by meditation.