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One of my lately favorite authors is Leo Perutz. He was an Austrian writer and also a statistician.

Perutz, P-E-R-U-T-Z. And in the 30s, before the discovery of LSD, he wrote a book called St. Peter's Snow. Travis actually was the first person to tell me about that book. And it's about a chemist developing an ergot alkaloid to give to the masses to bring about a religious revolution. Really? Very interesting. And this was like 10 years before the discovery of LSD in Switzerland.

Perutz, P-E-R-U-T-Z. And in the 30s, before the discovery of LSD, he wrote a book called St. Peter's Snow. Travis actually was the first person to tell me about that book. And it's about a chemist developing an ergot alkaloid to give to the masses to bring about a religious revolution. Really? Very interesting. And this was like 10 years before the discovery of LSD in Switzerland.

Perutz, P-E-R-U-T-Z. And in the 30s, before the discovery of LSD, he wrote a book called St. Peter's Snow. Travis actually was the first person to tell me about that book. And it's about a chemist developing an ergot alkaloid to give to the masses to bring about a religious revolution. Really? Very interesting. And this was like 10 years before the discovery of LSD in Switzerland.

Yeah, there may have been some ergot chemistry going on way before Hoffman discovered LSD.

Yeah, there may have been some ergot chemistry going on way before Hoffman discovered LSD.

Yeah, there may have been some ergot chemistry going on way before Hoffman discovered LSD.

Yeah, I'm just not sure. I'm not current on that.

Yeah, I'm just not sure. I'm not current on that.

Yeah, I'm just not sure. I'm not current on that.

Right.

Right.

Right.

Well, with some kind of ergot alkaloid.

Well, with some kind of ergot alkaloid.

Well, with some kind of ergot alkaloid.

Yeah, that's medicinal chemistry. I don't know. Dave Nichols would be the guy to ask.

Yeah, that's medicinal chemistry. I don't know. Dave Nichols would be the guy to ask.

Yeah, that's medicinal chemistry. I don't know. Dave Nichols would be the guy to ask.

Well, I think what you're talking about is the source of the visions. Was it just coming from them, or was it just an amplification of what was in their minds? Or was it coming from above, like an objective, freestanding source of information? So that's the difference, I think, between them.