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Yeah, I think that's what they put into my eyes. I had cataract surgery a few years ago.

Yeah, I think that's what they put into my eyes. I had cataract surgery a few years ago.

Yeah, I think that's what they put into my eyes. I had cataract surgery a few years ago.

Yeah. Wasn't Merck making MDMA too? Weren't they? I think they were. I think they were the first, you know, to synthesize.

Yeah. Wasn't Merck making MDMA too? Weren't they? I think they were. I think they were the first, you know, to synthesize.

Yeah. Wasn't Merck making MDMA too? Weren't they? I think they were. I think they were the first, you know, to synthesize.

You know, and it really wasn't, you know, explored very far for application in, you know, clinical medicine. Yeah, it wasn't until MDMA psychotherapy became a thing back in the 80s.

You know, and it really wasn't, you know, explored very far for application in, you know, clinical medicine. Yeah, it wasn't until MDMA psychotherapy became a thing back in the 80s.

You know, and it really wasn't, you know, explored very far for application in, you know, clinical medicine. Yeah, it wasn't until MDMA psychotherapy became a thing back in the 80s.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. I think that MDMA that Dave Nicholson made for MAPS is still being used. I mean, it was a huge amount.

Yeah, yeah. I think that MDMA that Dave Nicholson made for MAPS is still being used. I mean, it was a huge amount.

Yeah, yeah. I think that MDMA that Dave Nicholson made for MAPS is still being used. I mean, it was a huge amount.

Yeah, yeah. So David Nichols made our DMT. I met him at the Esalen Institute for Conference that was organized in 85, I think. Rick Doblin organized it. And it was a collection of people interested in doing psychedelic drug studies. Dave was there. That's where I met him. I met Shulgin, I met Stan Groff, John Lilly. So it was a place to convene.

Yeah, yeah. So David Nichols made our DMT. I met him at the Esalen Institute for Conference that was organized in 85, I think. Rick Doblin organized it. And it was a collection of people interested in doing psychedelic drug studies. Dave was there. That's where I met him. I met Shulgin, I met Stan Groff, John Lilly. So it was a place to convene.

Yeah, yeah. So David Nichols made our DMT. I met him at the Esalen Institute for Conference that was organized in 85, I think. Rick Doblin organized it. And it was a collection of people interested in doing psychedelic drug studies. Dave was there. That's where I met him. I met Shulgin, I met Stan Groff, John Lilly. So it was a place to convene.

The history of maps is very interesting, Rick's history. I've known Rick since 85, 84.

The history of maps is very interesting, Rick's history. I've known Rick since 85, 84.