Van Lathan

Like, we still have Fisk doing his martial law stuff.

We have his, you know, stormtrooper force that's just cracking down on people in their restaurants and, like, overt ice parallels that are more and more present now.

I was kind of confused as to really where we find Matt in all of this.

I was hoping that, like, we'd get...

him actually worrying about the city a bit more like a bit more of an existential crisis but it's just more like everybody's going we're here with karen we're trying to figure out where we're going and it's still disjointed well the fist part of it is interesting as well because charles and i disagree on this but i think the thing that worked more than anything

Right, but you don't really get like the escapism of comic book storytelling that you would in other shows or movies like this because there isn't like a mustache twirling guy tying somebody to the railroad track.

Just like the guy that we have in the White House.

Yeah.

That's the problem.

But, like, there is an interesting dynamic, I think, that with Fisk is introduced in the show that he's more or less put on the back foot because of this capsized ship situation.

And he doesn't really seem to have a control over it.

And Mr. Charles, under the guise of...

Valentina, kind of seems to have him in his pocket now.

And we don't really understand why, but it's the fact that he is now made almost nearly docile politically in the face of Mr. Charles.

He's calling the shots.

He's the one that's seemingly suggesting everything to pick up his mess.

And I like the idea that

I don't even know why we're there.

But think about the season just prior where we had White Tiger get popped in the street by these guys.

And we were very affected by that.