Vanan Murugesan

Consumer confidence wouldn't be this low if they weren't changing their behavior.

And you're going to see the second and third order effects start, unfortunately, cascading very soon and perhaps very quickly.

So I hate to be such doom and gloom about it.

But I think when you stare at the situation, then you throw in the fact that the allies that Donald Trump cares about the most in the East are his financial allies.

I think Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Qatar have a lot more influence on him than Israel does.

I know the popular mythology is that Israel has all this influence on him.

No, no, no.

It's the people that pay him money that have influence on him.

This is why this should be such an important focal point of being concerned about this.

Yeah.

I mean, if you work in, I came from a nonprofit background before this, right?

And if,

Because who's making the strongest arguments now for the United States not to leave and to not end this war until that regime is essentially overthrown?

at the end of the day, your job is to kind of work yourself out of the job at the end of the day.

That means like some part- If you're doing it well, if you're using nonprofit well, that's exactly right.

But they don't say overthrown.

They say tamed in some form.

But it's the Saudis, UAE, Kuwait, Bahrain.

They're all...

At this point, I think they all regret telling him, go ahead and do it.