Vic Harris

Yeah, and he's 65, and it is one of the biggest companies in the world, the most valuable.

He has delivered an incredible result in terms of the Apple share price.

The share price is up 1,000% since he came in as CEO in 2011.

And also he's outdone Steve Jobs.

Steve Jobs was really only there for 11 years.

Wow.

It's quite interesting.

And if you haven't read, like, or you don't know the history of Apple, like, Steve Jobs was obviously started it, founded it, got it to a point, then got a board in, and the board ousted him because the company was going bankrupt.

And then they got someone else in, didn't do well, and then they asked him to come back in, and then that's when Apple, like, took off.

So it's interesting.

Did they ask him to come back in, or did he say, let me back in?

They asked him back in.

Oh, interesting.

Yeah, a bit of your, like, tail between your legs being like,

We thought we could do it without you, but we can't.

Come back, please.

So Steve Jobs was kind of like the visionary, right?

He was the founder.

And you can see it in all the products that Apple first came out with, you know, like the iPod and all of that.

Yeah, and he wanted to create this –