Vicki Ward

And Epstein

told him that he could put together a fund using J.P.

Morgan and he could bring all these other people in his Rolodex together.

And that was very appealing.

Well, again, but this is what's so interesting and what Epstein understood, which is so clever, that the global elite, I mean the real elite, the 0.001% of the world, they have gatekeepers, but once you're through the gate, you're in, and they stop asking questions that they probably otherwise should.

And let us not forget that when Bill Gates met Epstein,

Jeffrey Epstein, Larry Summers, the former president of Harvard, was in the room.

So was Jess Staley, the number two banker at J.P.

Morgan.

And remember all the scientists who Epstein cultivated.

Following, by the way, a business model that Glenn Maxwell's father had done, it gives him a veneer of respectability.

And I think it makes people like Bill Gates stop and Larry Summers and Jess Daly, they stop using their judgment because it looks like this is going to work out very well for them.

I mean, it's all about transactionality.

Well, I'm sure he was courting Elon Musk, not just socially.

I mean, you get him to your island, you get him in for a meeting and then you make your pitch.

I mean, I think, you know, we do see that Epstein was definitely trying to wheel and deal in Silicon Valley.

just as much as he was trying to, you know, trade currencies, using inside information that given from people like Peter Mandelson and the British government at the time, possibly former Prince Andrew.

It's hard to separate, I think, the financial from the social.

It's all part of the same thing.

And these guys are all looking for the edge.