Vicki Ward

And he told me in person, by the way, in 2002.

He said to me, yes, when rich people lose their money or they're defrauded, they don't go to the authorities.

He understood that about wealthy people.

They're embarrassed.

And so he found a little niche job opportunity.

He would find the money, but then he would give himself power of attorney, lock it up in a Swiss bank, and then it would emerge.

I discovered this when I made a podcast series called Chasing Galen.

They never got the money back.

He kept control of it.

Well, they were stuck.

Well, you know, good for the Brits for having a legitimate culture of shame.

and accountability.

My personal view is I think that if Keir Starmer, the prime minister, falls over this, that would be a shame because he had no knowledge of any of this when he was advised to make Peter Mandelson ambassador to the United States.

I mean, he knew that they had known each other, but Keir Starmer had never met Jeffrey Epstein, and he had absolutely no knowledge of this idea that Mandelson...

I gather Epstein made payments to Mandelson's husband, as well as this idea that Mandelson betrayed British government and handed Epstein market-sensitive information.

I think maybe, like everything in this story when it comes to America, it's taken too long.

But maybe there's a drumbeat beginning, I think.

Let's see.

And just earlier this week, Congress, the Oversight Committee, was allowed...

to look at the files without the redactions.