Vicki Ward

And I think we've now heard that there are six names that do brook investigation.

Well, I think it's important to remember that

particularly in the case of the British, you know, Andrew Mountbatten-Winsor and Peter Mandelson were, I mean, you know, one was a high-ranking government official and the other is a member of, you know, the monarchy, which is almost the same thing.

I mean, they exist because of taxpayer money.

So I don't think there was any alternative.

They had to resign.

You know, when it comes to very rich business people, it's a sort of different question.

I mean, I think we did see...

Brad Karp, the chair of Paul Weiss, one of the biggest law firms in this country, realized that his position was untenable.

He had to step down as chair.

So I think each case is probably a little bit different.

I mean, I think if you're running...

public money or if you're in any way accountable to the public, then this is a matter for resignation.

If you're not, then it's different.

Julie Brown and I got to know each other as we sat through Ghislaine Maxwell's criminal trial.

And she and I did an interview on our mutual sub stacks last week.

And Julie said, modestly perhaps, but she said the reason she thought her story broke through was because the culture had changed from the time when I was reporting on Epstein and that Me Too had

was definitely very helpful, she felt, in waking up Congress and waking up the Justice Department at the time she published her extraordinary series about Epstein's sexual crimes.

But I think the reason that this has exploded into such a huge story now is

is ironically also to do with the political climate that we live in.