Vicki Ward

And the two things are related because until Jeffrey Epstein had this huge amount of money and the protection of all these powerful people that he knew, there's no evidence that he ever abused an underage girl.

Well, it's an interesting one.

We know that they hung out together.

I mean, we've got, you know, photos of them.

And none of the survivors I've ever spoken to have ever suggested that Donald Trump abused them.

They haven't.

So I just want to be very clear about that.

I have, in the course of my reporting, talked to Sam Nunberg, who was Trump's first ever actual political campaign operative back in 2015, which is when Virginia Jafray really came forward and

sort of more strongly, she'd originally surfaced in 2011, but Virginia Roberts, Virginia Giuffre was her married name, in 2015 came out and said that she had been Epstein's sex slave and she'd been pimped to all these high-profile names.

And Sam Numburg told me that he was working for Trump, who was obviously running for the presidency for the first time, and asked him about Epstein because I think he knew that the two men had been friends.

And Trump was actually very dismissive.

according to Numburg back then of Epstein, and said, I chucked him out of Mar-a-Lago.

And that turns out to be true.

But we do know that Jeffrey Epstein, you know, once Trump became president, was clearly obsessed with the fact that Trump had become president.

And it seems clear from the emails that Jeffrey Epstein believed that the information he had on Trump could be invaluable if he wanted to bring Trump down.

well, who's missing from the list is Leon Black.

So Leon Black is one of the wealthiest men in this country and until recently was the founder and chairman of Apollo, which is a massive private equity firm.

And it emerged a few years ago that Leon Black had paid

Jeffrey Epstein over 160 million dollars for what he said was tax advice.

And, you know, given that Jeffrey Epstein was not an accountant and in fact hadn't even graduated college, I think a lot of people still have real questions about that.