Vicky Osterweil

So I think it's actually really important to have cultural organizations that aren't just theory, that aren't just news, but that are like really talking about art and beauty and like excitement and joy and fiction and all these things that we find really important.

Because, you know, I think a lot of people sort of think, well, it's a crisis moment, you know, the world's ending, why would you do that? But like the world has been ending since 1492, like the world worth defending has been ending since then. Yeah. And it hasn't ended yet.

Because, you know, I think a lot of people sort of think, well, it's a crisis moment, you know, the world's ending, why would you do that? But like the world has been ending since 1492, like the world worth defending has been ending since then. Yeah. And it hasn't ended yet.

Because, you know, I think a lot of people sort of think, well, it's a crisis moment, you know, the world's ending, why would you do that? But like the world has been ending since 1492, like the world worth defending has been ending since then. Yeah. And it hasn't ended yet.

And one of the ways it hasn't ended is by Indigenous and Black and other marginalized cultures and stories and narratives and works of art has been an important mode of history and resistance, just as much as organizing and struggle. And yeah, I think we can move some struggle onto that terrain right now. And I think there's a lot of craving for it now.

And one of the ways it hasn't ended is by Indigenous and Black and other marginalized cultures and stories and narratives and works of art has been an important mode of history and resistance, just as much as organizing and struggle. And yeah, I think we can move some struggle onto that terrain right now. And I think there's a lot of craving for it now.

And one of the ways it hasn't ended is by Indigenous and Black and other marginalized cultures and stories and narratives and works of art has been an important mode of history and resistance, just as much as organizing and struggle. And yeah, I think we can move some struggle onto that terrain right now. And I think there's a lot of craving for it now.

Because I think also for a while, things felt really oversaturated. But the last five years, the internet doesn't feel helpful anymore. Everything feels like streaming is a mess. Everything's a mess. There's no access to culture that feels good. Everyone hates what they're doing. They know it's exploiting the artists.

Because I think also for a while, things felt really oversaturated. But the last five years, the internet doesn't feel helpful anymore. Everything feels like streaming is a mess. Everything's a mess. There's no access to culture that feels good. Everyone hates what they're doing. They know it's exploiting the artists.

Because I think also for a while, things felt really oversaturated. But the last five years, the internet doesn't feel helpful anymore. Everything feels like streaming is a mess. Everything's a mess. There's no access to culture that feels good. Everyone hates what they're doing. They know it's exploiting the artists.

They know Spotify is giving people pennies and that HBO and all the streaming services support Amazon and they're... They're just miserable, right? And I think there's a real opening and a real desire for something else at this moment, at the same time that things are indeed quite on fire, literally, ecocidally, but also sort of politically.

They know Spotify is giving people pennies and that HBO and all the streaming services support Amazon and they're... They're just miserable, right? And I think there's a real opening and a real desire for something else at this moment, at the same time that things are indeed quite on fire, literally, ecocidally, but also sort of politically.

They know Spotify is giving people pennies and that HBO and all the streaming services support Amazon and they're... They're just miserable, right? And I think there's a real opening and a real desire for something else at this moment, at the same time that things are indeed quite on fire, literally, ecocidally, but also sort of politically.

Yeah. I just like to build on that, Carla, because I think that was really beautiful. I second everything that you said. Many of us have a perspective that huge structural change is going to need to come and that often that will come through these big social movements, these explosions of energy, these lightning strikes, right? But you can't force those. You can't make those happen.

Yeah. I just like to build on that, Carla, because I think that was really beautiful. I second everything that you said. Many of us have a perspective that huge structural change is going to need to come and that often that will come through these big social movements, these explosions of energy, these lightning strikes, right? But you can't force those. You can't make those happen.

Yeah. I just like to build on that, Carla, because I think that was really beautiful. I second everything that you said. Many of us have a perspective that huge structural change is going to need to come and that often that will come through these big social movements, these explosions of energy, these lightning strikes, right? But you can't force those. You can't make those happen.

And in the meantime, you can... I think I've spent a lot of my in the meantimes in... trying to sort of organize stuff that's sort of oriented towards mass movement, you know, and it just feels, often feels like wheel spinning, you know, like I'm building, I'm trying to build mass movement, organizing, like, you know, like whatever that means.

And in the meantime, you can... I think I've spent a lot of my in the meantimes in... trying to sort of organize stuff that's sort of oriented towards mass movement, you know, and it just feels, often feels like wheel spinning, you know, like I'm building, I'm trying to build mass movement, organizing, like, you know, like whatever that means.

And in the meantime, you can... I think I've spent a lot of my in the meantimes in... trying to sort of organize stuff that's sort of oriented towards mass movement, you know, and it just feels, often feels like wheel spinning, you know, like I'm building, I'm trying to build mass movement, organizing, like, you know, like whatever that means.

And in the 2010s, like one of the things that happened from like 2011, arguably 2009, but definitely 2011 to 2020 was that wherever you were, it was never more than probably 18 months before there was like something else going off in the streets. And so, although those could be very hard, those waves could be very difficult. Um,