Vince Chan
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Great. Now, last question of the day. But before I ask, let me share a quick story. A friend of mine has a niece, 27 years old. She still hasn't graduated from college. She's been stuck in school, hasn't worked a single job, not even part-time, not volunteering, not freelancing, not investing, nothing. Her parents, who are middle class, fully support her.
But in their eyes, she isn't being productive, not even trying to do anything meaningful. is not about making big money. It's about learning something, adding value, contributing in some way. But she seems to have taken the idea of not needing a traditional job to the extreme, believing that work itself isn't necessary for her generation.
Now, the reason I bring this up is because your book is titled, Employment is Dead. I understand what you mean by that. I don't misinterpret it. But I can see how some people might. They might take it at face value and think, oh, we don't have to work anymore. We don't need offices, five-day work weeks, or even jobs at all. I don't think that's the message you're trying to send.
So my last question to you is this. Do you really believe employment is dead? And more importantly, what is your true interpretation of that phrase? Whether someone watching this is 15, 25, 35, or 45, How do you want them to understand what you mean so the title doesn't get misinterpreted as something superficial?
Embrace life stage flexibility with purpose. We need to work. We need to country-build, put in the effort, and build our lives and careers. There are so many different ways to do that now. That's the message. In that sense, employment isn't dead. It's just evolving. The traditional model may be fading, but it's being re-imagined in new and meaningful ways. Absolutely. Deborah, thank you so much.
I really appreciate you taking the time for this conversation. And congratulations on the entire journey of putting this book together. If I make it to the U.S., I'll be sure to grab an autographed copy from both of you.
Of course. I'm not Bloomberg. I don't ask cookie-cutter questions. And that's a wrap on this two-part series with Deborah Perry Pistioni. We've torn apart outdated career playbooks, reimagined what work could be, and tackled how both workers and companies must evolve. The question now is, are you ready for what's next? Because the future of work isn't coming. It's already here.
If you found this conversation valuable, share it, rate the show, and let's keep pushing these conversations forward. Thank you so much for joining us today. If you like what you heard, don't forget, subscribe to our show, leave us top-rated reviews, check out our website, and follow me on social media. I'm Vince Shen, your ambitious human host. Until next time, take care.
hi everyone welcome to our show chief change officer i'm vince chen your ambitious human host our show is a modernist humility for change progressives in organizational and human transformation from around the world A few days ago, we published a three-part series with George Dream, the co-author of the book, Employment is Dead. But we are not done yet. We are doubling down on this conversation.
Today, I've invited his co-author, Deborah Perry-Piccioni. an entrepreneur, Silicon Valley insider, and best-selling author of the book Secrets of Silicon Valley. Before diving into the world of startups, Debra spent 18 years in Washington, D.C., working in the White House, on Capitol Hill, and as a political commentator for MSNBC, Fox News, and CNN.
But everything changed when she moved to Silicon Valley. Instead of politics, power, and division, she discovered a culture built on collaboration, innovation, and risk-taking. That shift led her to build six companies, write multiple best-selling books, and now co-found the Work3 Institute, helping businesses navigate the future of work. We're featuring Debra in a two-part series.
In part one, we explore her incredible journey from shaping policy in Washington, D.C., to securing venture capital through a chance encounter at a Starbucks. She shares how risk-taking, adaptability, and breaking the old rules shaped her success. Then in part two, we tackle the future of employment. Why degrees aren't what they used to be? How AI and Web3 are reshaping jobs?
And what companies must do before it's too late? And of course, we'll answer the big question. Is employment really dead? Get ready for bold, eye-opening conversation. Let's jump in. Good morning, Deborah. Welcome to our show. You are the first interview I conduct in the new year. Thank you so much for your time.
You've had such an incredible journey from Washington, D.C. politics to Silicon Valley startups. from entrepreneurship to authoring multiple books, building six companies, and now shaping the future of work. Looking back, do you see a common thread that ties all these transitions together?
It sounds like you're someone who's highly observant, sensitive to your environment, and deeply aware of the trends around you. You mentioned your background in journalism, talking to all kinds of people, reading situations, and understanding patterns. That skill set seems to carry over into how you approach opportunities. You spot gaps, see what's missing, and then take action.
Whether that's building something from scratch, teaming up with others, or investing in solutions that address those needs. So in a way, your entrepreneurial mindset isn't about business. It's about identifying what needs to be solved and turning that into action, a product, or even a business model. Would you say that's a fair summary?
You've built and been involved in multiple ventures, which means you've experienced both the highs and the lows, the wins, the setbacks, and everything in between. Looking back, is there a particular failure or challenge that stands out? Something that, despite all your success, really tested you? Maybe at the time, it was frustrating or even painful.
But in hindsight, it became a lesson you carry with you, something that shaped how you move forward. You've rebounded, you're stronger, you're energized. But is there a moment that, while tough, still holds deep meaning for you?
You've been engaged in a lot of interesting endeavors. The current project is Work3 Institute, which you co-founded with George. Leading to this book, Employment is Dead. What was the motivation behind starting the institute? What was the driving force that led you to create it? I guess this goes back to the why. What inspired you to take this path?
While the title is Employment is Dead, if I'm hearing you correctly, this book is really a message to employers, almost a wake-up call With all the new technologies happening, the traditional value chain of employment is being disrupted, whether companies like it or not. And if they don't adapt, they risk losing their best people, whether to solo partnership, competitors, or simply disengagement.
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