Vince Chan
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first heard Nov 2024
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Is that the core message you're trying to get across? And is this the primary audience you are speaking to?
Sure. Now, I noticed the book includes a story about how you and George met. Two people from different backgrounds who, according to the book, hadn't even met before. Yet somehow, this collaboration just clicked. From your perspective, what was the spark? What made you think, hey, this is someone I need to work with?
I imagine there are similarities that made the collaboration work, but also key differences in your backgrounds and experiences that add unique perspectives. Can you share a bit about that, what you each contribute, and how those differences shape the work you're doing together as a partnership?
I had the privilege of reading through the book before it was published. Now, I'll be honest, I skimmed through a lot of it. Certain chapters really stood out to me, especially the one on credentials. Before starting my podcast, especially before COVID, I was deeply involved in the learning and education technology space.
I was speaking at conferences around the world on the future of work, including South by Southwest. So when you covered credentials, education, and training, that chapter really caught my attention. Now, looking at one of the quotes from that chapter, he wrote, getting more employers to rethink their degree requirements will take hard work.
Employees have grown up in a system where the four-year degree is the proxy, and that's a perception that is risky to do things differently. I completely agree. But the big question is, how do we actually change that mindset? What's your take on making this shit happen?
That's a wrap for today. We've covered Deborah's incredible journey from DC politics to Silicon Valley startups. and why the old way of working just doesn't cut it anymore. But we're just getting started. In part two, we'll break down the real shift happening in the workforce, why college degrees are losing the grip, and how AI and Web3 are reshaping jobs.
and what companies must do before it's too late. Plus, we'll tackle the big question. Is employment really dead or just evolving? Don't miss it. Thank you so much for joining us today. If you like what you heard, Don't forget, subscribe to our show, leave us top-rated reviews, check out our website, and follow me on social media. I'm Vince Chen, your ambitious human host.
Until next time, take care.
Hi, everyone. Welcome to our show, Chief Change Officer. I'm Vince Chen, your ambitious human host. Our show is a modernist humility for change progressives in organizational and human transformation from around the world. Today, we are diving into the future of work with George Dream. George is a Harvard MBA, a startup founder, and the co-author of the book called Employment is Dead.
Yes, you hear it right. That is a very bold statement. But he's got a story to back it up. Across this three-part series, We'll explore why traditional employment models are failing, how emerging technologies like Web3 and AI are reshaping work, and what companies must do to survive.
We'll also go behind the scenes of George's book, how a cold call turned into a major publishing deal, and why the old ways of managing people just don't cut it anymore. Whether you are an employee, an employer, or just curious about where work is headed, this series will challenge the way you think. I've spent over an hour diving into your book.
and certain chapters really caught my attention, especially the ones on talent, skills, credentials, and degrees. You and I, you are from Harvard, I'm from Yale, are both beneficiaries of brand name degrees. In the traditional playbook, that gave us a clear advantage in securing opportunities but with emerging technologies, are degrees becoming less and less relevant and useful?
In your book, you talk about how employers still claim to degree requirements. It's a tough mindset to break. As someone who has benefited from a prestigious degree, just like I have, what's your take? Do degrees still matter? Or is it time for a new way of thinking, working, and doing?
Most of them came from ordinary backgrounds, no special connections or privileges. And honestly, I was in the same boat. I went to Yale on a scholarship. Now, when people ask me, is an MBA still relevant? I get it. There's a lot of debate, just like with degrees in general. It's about connections, networks, and the brand name of these two-year MBA or law school programs.
And yes, these programs accelerate learning, especially the soft skills or life skills like communication, critical thinking, and relationship building. But beyond that, the real value is in the people you meet and the deep connections you build over those two years. That's something you can't just replicate by networking on LinkedIn or signing up for an online course.
It's a different kind of experience. That said, if your goal is purely to learn, some skills. There are so many ways to do that now, many of them more affordable and accessible. I've personally taken online certificates and courses to upskill, building on a traditional education background. Now, going back to your book and the discussion on degree requirements.
Employers, some of them, are starting to look beyond just degrees. They are using other signals to assess skills and knowledge before making hiring decisions. But the degree requirement itself is still deeply ingrained, not just in the US, but in many countries. So how do we change that? How do we take real action to jailbreak the degree system? What needs to happen to shift the mindset?
So far, I've asked you a lot about credentials and education. That's one of my key interests. But in your book, you also introduce this massive Work 3 transformation map. A full framework for how organizations can innovate and leverage emerging technologies. Now, we won't go into all the details today. Maybe we'll save that for a future episode. But I want to ask you this. Let's say I am a CEO.
You and Deborah present me with Despo. You come in as consultants advising my organization on transformation. Where would you recommend starting? Obviously, executing the full roadmap, strategy, concepts, implementation could take more than a year or even longer. But what's the first step, the first major pain point to tackle?
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