Vince Chan
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first heard Nov 2024
last heard Jun 2025
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I know it depends on the company, but if you had to pick a key entry point from your roadmap, what would be a strong starting place for any organization looking to make a meaningful shift?
One thing I want to add to that, when you talk about why there are 600 people reporting to you and why organizations have six layers of hierarchy, at the end of the day, all comes down to politics and power, and of course, money. More layers mean more justification for higher salaries at the top. That's just how economic incentives, power, and corporate structures work.
But that's a whole other discussion, one that goes beyond technology, yet still shapes the way employment functions today. Even as the world changes, traditional employment structures are still deeply entrenched, especially for my generation. And even for yours, despite being younger, business schools and corporate environments still reinforce many of these same structures.
Now, employment isn't disappearing, but its function, nature, and diversity are evolving. The depth and breadth of work are shifting, and that's where technology plays a huge role. So as a closing thought, Josh, you've been a strong advocate for integrating emerging technologies into the workplace. What do you see as the consequences for employers who don't adapt?
For those who aren't paying attention, who aren't taking steps to evolve how they manage, recruit, and lead, what risks do they face? I'd love to hear your take as the final message to the world on this show.
One thing I want to add, I am Gen X. That's the generation between baby boomers and millennials. Older than Gen Z, but still young and energetic. We are the first who transitioned from an analog world to a digital world. I remember learning how to use a calculator, then moving on to Lotus before Microsoft Excel even existed. When I was at Yale for business school, Google was just becoming a thing.
I'm 51 now, turning 52 in a week. So I've experienced firsthand how technology has evolved, and so have many in my generation. And that brings me to your point about organizations, not just surviving, but thriving. We are in a time where the workforce is more intergenerational than ever. different age groups, different levels of exposure to technology. Some grew up with it.
Others had to adapt along the way. The question is, how do we make the most of this? How do we create a more inclusive environment that maximizes talent, skills, and purpose? Because in the end, that's what drives business results. That's what fuels performance.
And for organizations that don't embrace this shift, if they stay rigid, resistant, or unwilling to evolve, they are setting themselves up for negative consequences. So that's my advice. Stay open, stay flexible, and recognize that the workforce is changing because those who don't will be left behind.
Thank you. And that's a wrap on this series. We've torn down outdated employment models, explored the rise of Web3 and AI, and tackled how businesses must evolve to keep up. The question now is, will companies adapt or get left behind? The future of work isn't coming. It's already here. If you're ready to stay ahead, now is the time to act. Thank you so much for joining us today.
If you like what you heard, don't forget subscribe to our show, leave us top-rated reviews, check out our website, and follow me on social media. I'm Vince Chen, your ambitious human host. Until next time, take care.
Hi, everyone. Welcome to our show, Chief Change Officer. I'm Vince Chen, your ambitious human host. Our show is a modernist humility for change progressives in organizational and human transformation from around the world. Today, we are diving into the future of work with George Dream. George is a Harvard MBA, a startup founder, and the co-author of the book called Employment is Dead.
Yes, you hear it right. That is a very bold statement. But he's got a story to back it up. Across this three-part series, We'll explore why traditional employment models are failing, how emerging technologies like Web3 and AI are reshaping work, and what companies must do to survive.
We'll also go behind the scenes of George's book, how a cold call turned into a major publishing deal, and why the old ways of managing people just don't cut it anymore. Whether you are an employee, an employer, or just curious about where work is headed, this series will challenge the way you think
So, would it be fair to say that the metaverse, Web3, and all these emerging technologies are essentially bridges, tools that help us redefine the employee experience? Not just in one way, but in ways that actually make sense for our lives, our productivity, our outcome, and our well-being? Would you put it that way?
You mentioned that you and Deborah, the co-founder of WorkStreet Institute, worked on this book together with you. I know there's quite a story behind how this book came to be. Can you share that with us here?
How did you get HBR on board with this book? We publish a lot of business books, many from professors, industry leaders, and big-name executives. Of course, Deborah is a leader in her space, and you have your HBS background, but pitching a book idea is never easy. So how did you make the case? What convinced them that this was a book they had to publish? What did that process look like?
How long did the whole book process take? Now you are at the finish line with the launch. But of course, that's really just the beginning of a new chapter. From that initial cold call to getting to this point, how long was the journey? What did that timeline look like?
That makes sense. About 10 years ago, I actually published two books in Chinese, not in English. That's why I never sent you my books. One was with a commercial publisher, and the other was through a university publisher in China. I finished both within two years, and one for Hong Kong, the other distributed at the national level in China.
Long story short, I've always appreciated the depth a book brings. At some point, I love to write one in English. Because a book isn't just a quick e-book or 10-page summary. It holds real thought, deep reflection, and analytical depth. These days, sure, a lot of people use AI tools to generate content. Actually, going through the full process like you did,
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