Vince Chan

Before starting my podcast, especially before COVID, I was deeply involved in the learning and education technology space. I was speaking at conferences around the world on the future of work, including South by Southwest. So when you covered credentials, education, and training, that chapter really caught my attention.

Before starting my podcast, especially before COVID, I was deeply involved in the learning and education technology space. I was speaking at conferences around the world on the future of work, including South by Southwest. So when you covered credentials, education, and training, that chapter really caught my attention.

Now, looking at one of the quotes from that chapter, he wrote, getting more employers to rethink their degree requirements will take hard work. Employees have grown up in a system where the four-year degree is the proxy, and that's a perception that is risky to do things differently. I completely agree. But the big question is how do we actually change that mindset?

Now, looking at one of the quotes from that chapter, he wrote, getting more employers to rethink their degree requirements will take hard work. Employees have grown up in a system where the four-year degree is the proxy, and that's a perception that is risky to do things differently. I completely agree. But the big question is how do we actually change that mindset?

What's your take on making this shit happen?

What's your take on making this shit happen?

If I'm hearing you correctly, and I say this aligns with my own perspective as well, some jobs still operate within a value system where having a degree is essential. Take, for example, a two-year MBA. When I was on a call with Josh, I told him, you and I are both beneficiaries of a formal brand name degree.

If I'm hearing you correctly, and I say this aligns with my own perspective as well, some jobs still operate within a value system where having a degree is essential. Take, for example, a two-year MBA. When I was on a call with Josh, I told him, you and I are both beneficiaries of a formal brand name degree.

I went to Harvard Business School, I went to Yale School of Management, and I even earned two MBAs myself. Now, I'm 51, turning 52 soon, which means I grew up in the 70s in a world where the playbook was clear. Study hard, get a degree, work hard in a corporation, climb the ladder. That's success. That was the mainstream and proven belief at the time.

I went to Harvard Business School, I went to Yale School of Management, and I even earned two MBAs myself. Now, I'm 51, turning 52 soon, which means I grew up in the 70s in a world where the playbook was clear. Study hard, get a degree, work hard in a corporation, climb the ladder. That's success. That was the mainstream and proven belief at the time.

And there was nothing inherently wrong with it because it worked in that era. But with the internet and new technologies, the world has changed. We're now exposed to so many more possibilities with different ways to achieve the same goal. if you want to earn a million dollars a year. There are multiple legitimate legal ways to do it.

And there was nothing inherently wrong with it because it worked in that era. But with the internet and new technologies, the world has changed. We're now exposed to so many more possibilities with different ways to achieve the same goal. if you want to earn a million dollars a year. There are multiple legitimate legal ways to do it.

In the past, one clear path was joining Goldman Sachs, earning a solid salary plus bonuses. And if it was a good year, you would hit that million dollar mark or even more. And that's still a path that works for some people today. But does that mean going to Goldman Sachs is outdated or not trendy anymore? Not at all. It's still the perfect fit for certain individuals.

In the past, one clear path was joining Goldman Sachs, earning a solid salary plus bonuses. And if it was a good year, you would hit that million dollar mark or even more. And that's still a path that works for some people today. But does that mean going to Goldman Sachs is outdated or not trendy anymore? Not at all. It's still the perfect fit for certain individuals.

The same goes for Google, any other top-tier company. It all comes down to finding the best fit for your needs, skills, interests, and strengths. I believe if technology can be open-source, then career development can be open-minded in the same way. In the end, technology is the enabler. It doesn't dictate how we succeed, but it empowers us to choose our own version of success.

The same goes for Google, any other top-tier company. It all comes down to finding the best fit for your needs, skills, interests, and strengths. I believe if technology can be open-source, then career development can be open-minded in the same way. In the end, technology is the enabler. It doesn't dictate how we succeed, but it empowers us to choose our own version of success.

So far, we've talked a lot about what we as individuals can do, how we navigate our careers and lives in this new era. But for employers, it's a whole different challenge. In your book, you lay out a full transformation map. And when I saw it, I thought, wow, that's a lot a company can do.

So far, we've talked a lot about what we as individuals can do, how we navigate our careers and lives in this new era. But for employers, it's a whole different challenge. In your book, you lay out a full transformation map. And when I saw it, I thought, wow, that's a lot a company can do.

Let's say I'm the CEO of a sizeable company, and you and Josh come to me and say, Vince, there's so many opportunities to rethink and transform your organization. My first reaction would be, great, but where do I start? What would you advise me to tackle first? What's the one thing I absolutely must focus on before everything else?

Let's say I'm the CEO of a sizeable company, and you and Josh come to me and say, Vince, there's so many opportunities to rethink and transform your organization. My first reaction would be, great, but where do I start? What would you advise me to tackle first? What's the one thing I absolutely must focus on before everything else?