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Vince Chan

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Chief Change Officer
#382 Josh Drean: Employment Is Dead—Now Let’s Rebuild It — Part Three

Yes, you hear it right. That is a very bold statement. But he's got a story to back it up. Across this three-part series, We'll explore why traditional employment models are failing, how emerging technologies like Web3 and AI are reshaping work, and what companies must do to survive.

Chief Change Officer
#382 Josh Drean: Employment Is Dead—Now Let’s Rebuild It — Part Three

Yes, you hear it right. That is a very bold statement. But he's got a story to back it up. Across this three-part series, We'll explore why traditional employment models are failing, how emerging technologies like Web3 and AI are reshaping work, and what companies must do to survive.

Chief Change Officer
#382 Josh Drean: Employment Is Dead—Now Let’s Rebuild It — Part Three

We'll also go behind the scenes of George's book, how a cold call turned into a major publishing deal, and why the old ways of managing people just don't cut it anymore. Whether you are an employee, an employer, or just curious about where work is headed, this series will challenge the way you think. I've spent over an hour diving into your book.

Chief Change Officer
#382 Josh Drean: Employment Is Dead—Now Let’s Rebuild It — Part Three

We'll also go behind the scenes of George's book, how a cold call turned into a major publishing deal, and why the old ways of managing people just don't cut it anymore. Whether you are an employee, an employer, or just curious about where work is headed, this series will challenge the way you think. I've spent over an hour diving into your book.

Chief Change Officer
#382 Josh Drean: Employment Is Dead—Now Let’s Rebuild It — Part Three

and certain chapters really caught my attention, especially the ones on talent, skills, credentials, and degrees. You and I, you are from Harvard, I'm from Yale, are both beneficiaries of brand name degrees. In the traditional playbook, that gave us a clear advantage in securing opportunities but with emerging technologies, are degrees becoming less and less relevant and useful?

Chief Change Officer
#382 Josh Drean: Employment Is Dead—Now Let’s Rebuild It — Part Three

and certain chapters really caught my attention, especially the ones on talent, skills, credentials, and degrees. You and I, you are from Harvard, I'm from Yale, are both beneficiaries of brand name degrees. In the traditional playbook, that gave us a clear advantage in securing opportunities but with emerging technologies, are degrees becoming less and less relevant and useful?

Chief Change Officer
#382 Josh Drean: Employment Is Dead—Now Let’s Rebuild It — Part Three

In your book, you talk about how employers still claim to degree requirements. It's a tough mindset to break. As someone who has benefited from a prestigious degree, just like I have, what's your take? Do degrees still matter? Or is it time for a new way of thinking, working, and doing?

Chief Change Officer
#382 Josh Drean: Employment Is Dead—Now Let’s Rebuild It — Part Three

In your book, you talk about how employers still claim to degree requirements. It's a tough mindset to break. As someone who has benefited from a prestigious degree, just like I have, what's your take? Do degrees still matter? Or is it time for a new way of thinking, working, and doing?

Chief Change Officer
#382 Josh Drean: Employment Is Dead—Now Let’s Rebuild It — Part Three

Most of them came from ordinary backgrounds, no special connections or privileges. And honestly, I was in the same boat. I went to Yale on a scholarship. Now, when people ask me, is an MBA still relevant? I get it. There's a lot of debate, just like with degrees in general. It's about connections, networks, and the brand name of these two-year MBA or law school programs.

Chief Change Officer
#382 Josh Drean: Employment Is Dead—Now Let’s Rebuild It — Part Three

Most of them came from ordinary backgrounds, no special connections or privileges. And honestly, I was in the same boat. I went to Yale on a scholarship. Now, when people ask me, is an MBA still relevant? I get it. There's a lot of debate, just like with degrees in general. It's about connections, networks, and the brand name of these two-year MBA or law school programs.

Chief Change Officer
#382 Josh Drean: Employment Is Dead—Now Let’s Rebuild It — Part Three

And yes, these programs accelerate learning, especially the soft skills or life skills like communication, critical thinking, and relationship building. But beyond that, the real value is in the people you meet and the deep connections you build over those two years. That's something you can't just replicate by networking on LinkedIn or signing up for an online course.

Chief Change Officer
#382 Josh Drean: Employment Is Dead—Now Let’s Rebuild It — Part Three

And yes, these programs accelerate learning, especially the soft skills or life skills like communication, critical thinking, and relationship building. But beyond that, the real value is in the people you meet and the deep connections you build over those two years. That's something you can't just replicate by networking on LinkedIn or signing up for an online course.

Chief Change Officer
#382 Josh Drean: Employment Is Dead—Now Let’s Rebuild It — Part Three

It's a different kind of experience. That said, if your goal is purely to learn, some skills. There are so many ways to do that now, many of them more affordable and accessible. I've personally taken online certificates and courses to upskill, building on a traditional education background. Now, going back to your book and the discussion on degree requirements.

Chief Change Officer
#382 Josh Drean: Employment Is Dead—Now Let’s Rebuild It — Part Three

It's a different kind of experience. That said, if your goal is purely to learn, some skills. There are so many ways to do that now, many of them more affordable and accessible. I've personally taken online certificates and courses to upskill, building on a traditional education background. Now, going back to your book and the discussion on degree requirements.

Chief Change Officer
#382 Josh Drean: Employment Is Dead—Now Let’s Rebuild It — Part Three

Employers, some of them, are starting to look beyond just degrees. They are using other signals to assess skills and knowledge before making hiring decisions. But the degree requirement itself is still deeply ingrained, not just in the US, but in many countries. So how do we change that? How do we take real action to jailbreak the degree system? What needs to happen to shift the mindset?

Chief Change Officer
#382 Josh Drean: Employment Is Dead—Now Let’s Rebuild It — Part Three

Employers, some of them, are starting to look beyond just degrees. They are using other signals to assess skills and knowledge before making hiring decisions. But the degree requirement itself is still deeply ingrained, not just in the US, but in many countries. So how do we change that? How do we take real action to jailbreak the degree system? What needs to happen to shift the mindset?

Chief Change Officer
#382 Josh Drean: Employment Is Dead—Now Let’s Rebuild It — Part Three

So far, I've asked you a lot about credentials and education. That's one of my key interests. But in your book, you also introduce this massive Work 3 transformation map. A full framework for how organizations can innovate and leverage emerging technologies. Now, we won't go into all the details today. Maybe we'll save that for a future episode. But I want to ask you this. Let's say I am a CEO.

Chief Change Officer
#382 Josh Drean: Employment Is Dead—Now Let’s Rebuild It — Part Three

So far, I've asked you a lot about credentials and education. That's one of my key interests. But in your book, you also introduce this massive Work 3 transformation map. A full framework for how organizations can innovate and leverage emerging technologies. Now, we won't go into all the details today. Maybe we'll save that for a future episode. But I want to ask you this. Let's say I am a CEO.

Chief Change Officer
#382 Josh Drean: Employment Is Dead—Now Let’s Rebuild It — Part Three

You and Deborah present me with Despo. You come in as consultants advising my organization on transformation. Where would you recommend starting? Obviously, executing the full roadmap, strategy, concepts, implementation could take more than a year or even longer. But what's the first step, the first major pain point to tackle?

Chief Change Officer
#382 Josh Drean: Employment Is Dead—Now Let’s Rebuild It — Part Three

You and Deborah present me with Despo. You come in as consultants advising my organization on transformation. Where would you recommend starting? Obviously, executing the full roadmap, strategy, concepts, implementation could take more than a year or even longer. But what's the first step, the first major pain point to tackle?