Vince Chan

You studied public policy and later focused on public health. What originally drew you to public policy? Especially being in Washington, DC, a place so closely tied to politics and government. I know you also spend time in politics. So I'm curious, not just about the shift from point A to B to C, but also about the thinking behind those transitions.

You studied public policy and later focused on public health. What originally drew you to public policy? Especially being in Washington, DC, a place so closely tied to politics and government. I know you also spend time in politics. So I'm curious, not just about the shift from point A to B to C, but also about the thinking behind those transitions.

You clearly have a very strong passion for driving public policy. But along the way, you realized that policy and politics are two different things. Very different. Did you find politics didn't sit well with you? What was it that didn't feel right?

You clearly have a very strong passion for driving public policy. But along the way, you realized that policy and politics are two different things. Very different. Did you find politics didn't sit well with you? What was it that didn't feel right?

You are clearly a thinker, but also very much a doer. You are someone who wants to drive real change and not just talk about it. You want to see it, build it, make it tangible. And that's something I really value. On this show, I've said it many times. I love working and talking with leaders who walk the walk, talk the talk. Because these days, talk is cheap.

You are clearly a thinker, but also very much a doer. You are someone who wants to drive real change and not just talk about it. You want to see it, build it, make it tangible. And that's something I really value. On this show, I've said it many times. I love working and talking with leaders who walk the walk, talk the talk. Because these days, talk is cheap.

Honestly, you can just drop a topic into AI tools, say, check GPT, get a polished script, memorize it, and suddenly you're saying the right things. but that's not leadership. Talk is getting commoditized. What really matters now is the walk. And with you, I see someone who does both. You've got the sharp thinking, the public policy background, the communication skills, but you also want to act.

Honestly, you can just drop a topic into AI tools, say, check GPT, get a polished script, memorize it, and suddenly you're saying the right things. but that's not leadership. Talk is getting commoditized. What really matters now is the walk. And with you, I see someone who does both. You've got the sharp thinking, the public policy background, the communication skills, but you also want to act.

You want to take all that insight and actually make something happen. But I imagine that's where the frustration comes in when politics and economics, invisible or visible hands, don't always align with action. They don't always support the walk, even if they are filled with talk. Is that how you experience it?

You want to take all that insight and actually make something happen. But I imagine that's where the frustration comes in when politics and economics, invisible or visible hands, don't always align with action. They don't always support the walk, even if they are filled with talk. Is that how you experience it?

You mentioned about you, after those six years of doing your own practice in human rights, you went back to school, you finished your dissertation, but you changed the topic. I was wondering how those six years of experience, what happened there that helped you to change from one topic to another? And what was your topic? What was your final topic at the end?

You mentioned about you, after those six years of doing your own practice in human rights, you went back to school, you finished your dissertation, but you changed the topic. I was wondering how those six years of experience, what happened there that helped you to change from one topic to another? And what was your topic? What was your final topic at the end?

These days, with AI and all the available data, you could possibly turn your lectures or content into something interactive. Maybe even develop your own AI agent.

These days, with AI and all the available data, you could possibly turn your lectures or content into something interactive. Maybe even develop your own AI agent.

Now going back to your book, generosity wins. What brought you in the very first place to write something like this and with Monty as your co-author?

Now going back to your book, generosity wins. What brought you in the very first place to write something like this and with Monty as your co-author?

That's it for today. We've traced Nicole's unexpected path from neuroscience to human rights to public health. But there's more. In part two, we get into the backstory of her book, Generosity Wins. While the main character is fictional, but the lessons are real. and how a rain summit landed in the middle of Super Bowl weekend. It's one of the most creative takes on leadership I've heard.

That's it for today. We've traced Nicole's unexpected path from neuroscience to human rights to public health. But there's more. In part two, we get into the backstory of her book, Generosity Wins. While the main character is fictional, but the lessons are real. and how a rain summit landed in the middle of Super Bowl weekend. It's one of the most creative takes on leadership I've heard.

Don't miss it. Thank you so much for joining us today. If you like what you heard, Don't forget, subscribe to our show, leave us top-rated reviews, check out our website, and follow me on social media. I'm Vince Chen, your ambitious human host. Until next time, take care.

Don't miss it. Thank you so much for joining us today. If you like what you heard, Don't forget, subscribe to our show, leave us top-rated reviews, check out our website, and follow me on social media. I'm Vince Chen, your ambitious human host. Until next time, take care.