Vincent Cunningham

And wound up killing 20, 30,000 people or so before it was over with.

And wound up killing 20, 30,000 people or so before it was over with.

This is the New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm David Remnick. I've been speaking today with Jelani Cobb, who's a historian and a staff writer at The New Yorker. We're talking about the Trump administration's wholesale assault on DEI, programs in the federal government and elsewhere that encourage diversity, equity, and inclusion. DEI is a singular obsession for Donald Trump and his allies.

This is the New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm David Remnick. I've been speaking today with Jelani Cobb, who's a historian and a staff writer at The New Yorker. We're talking about the Trump administration's wholesale assault on DEI, programs in the federal government and elsewhere that encourage diversity, equity, and inclusion. DEI is a singular obsession for Donald Trump and his allies.

This is the New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm David Remnick. I've been speaking today with Jelani Cobb, who's a historian and a staff writer at The New Yorker. We're talking about the Trump administration's wholesale assault on DEI, programs in the federal government and elsewhere that encourage diversity, equity, and inclusion. DEI is a singular obsession for Donald Trump and his allies.

So I'll return now to my conversation with journalist and historian Jelani Cobb. So in 2023, the Supreme Court issued its ruling that ended affirmative action as we knew it. Coupled with that, how are these executive orders going to affect the environment that you're in at Columbia and academia writ large?

So I'll return now to my conversation with journalist and historian Jelani Cobb. So in 2023, the Supreme Court issued its ruling that ended affirmative action as we knew it. Coupled with that, how are these executive orders going to affect the environment that you're in at Columbia and academia writ large?

So I'll return now to my conversation with journalist and historian Jelani Cobb. So in 2023, the Supreme Court issued its ruling that ended affirmative action as we knew it. Coupled with that, how are these executive orders going to affect the environment that you're in at Columbia and academia writ large?

How do you evaluate as both a journalist and somebody leading a journalism school, the reaction of the press in these early weeks to what's been going on in Washington?

How do you evaluate as both a journalist and somebody leading a journalism school, the reaction of the press in these early weeks to what's been going on in Washington?

How do you evaluate as both a journalist and somebody leading a journalism school, the reaction of the press in these early weeks to what's been going on in Washington?

Because Paramount controls CBS. In almost every one of these cases, though, it seems the problem is... that the corporations that own these media outlets have much bigger fish to fry in the corporate world than their media outlets. So Jeff Bezos, who owns the Washington Post and bought it for $250 million, that to him is nothing compared to the scale of Amazon itself.

Because Paramount controls CBS. In almost every one of these cases, though, it seems the problem is... that the corporations that own these media outlets have much bigger fish to fry in the corporate world than their media outlets. So Jeff Bezos, who owns the Washington Post and bought it for $250 million, that to him is nothing compared to the scale of Amazon itself.

Because Paramount controls CBS. In almost every one of these cases, though, it seems the problem is... that the corporations that own these media outlets have much bigger fish to fry in the corporate world than their media outlets. So Jeff Bezos, who owns the Washington Post and bought it for $250 million, that to him is nothing compared to the scale of Amazon itself.

What I notice sometimes speaking with friends who aren't in the press, who are doing all kinds of other things, they don't want to engage with the news too much. They feel exhausted. They feel psychologically self-protective in the way... That is very different from 2017. Any number of people say, you know, I refuse to watch CNN or I refuse to read the paper. And I'm kind of shocked by it.

What I notice sometimes speaking with friends who aren't in the press, who are doing all kinds of other things, they don't want to engage with the news too much. They feel exhausted. They feel psychologically self-protective in the way... That is very different from 2017. Any number of people say, you know, I refuse to watch CNN or I refuse to read the paper. And I'm kind of shocked by it.

What I notice sometimes speaking with friends who aren't in the press, who are doing all kinds of other things, they don't want to engage with the news too much. They feel exhausted. They feel psychologically self-protective in the way... That is very different from 2017. Any number of people say, you know, I refuse to watch CNN or I refuse to read the paper. And I'm kind of shocked by it.

That's not encouraging at all.

That's not encouraging at all.

That's not encouraging at all.