Vinney Chopra

I shouldn't say all they're trying to do.

is they're giving a bunch of money, dark money.

The dark money comes from all these people that don't want to be listed.

Whoops, there's a list.

And then 1630 gives that money over to Chorus.

Chorus makes sure everybody is singing the same tune.

And today, the word of the day today is authoritarian Trump gun control.

Go, Adam.

It was a John Roberts decision that opened up a limited corporate giving.

Well, if you take the lobbying out of it, there's going to be a lot more variability in our elections because someone who's in the seat, who now has the people in their pocket, that's very hard to overthrow.

It is very, very, very, very, very hard to defeat a U.S.

senator.

Go look at the number of incumbent senators.

Absent some terrible scandal, they get overthrown.

That sounds revolutionary.

that are defeated.

The most powerful word in American election lexicon is incumbent, because incumbent means there are people that you are serving that want you to stay there.

And the industries have the lobbying behind it.

Pat, if that wasn't there and those lobbies were there, then it would be much easier for people with new ideas and new focuses to run against, especially in the perpetual two-year race, because it's every two years for a congressman, every two years.

without that incumbent label, without all the lobbying money that they get, they would now be raising money from grassroots, people like you and me, or unions could give directly, but you wouldn't have the active lobbying groups.