Vinney Chopra

Remember, there was one of the biggest white-collar crimes in Washington was, what was his name, Jack?

He always wore the little black bowler hat, and he was a paid lobbyist.

Help me out, Rob.

You know who I'm talking about?

And he ultimately – no, we'll find him.

He used to wear that dark black jacket all the way down and the hat.

But anyway, there's an example.

It was criminal lobbying that was going on where the lobbying was going beyond.

And so without the lobbying, Pat –

Elections would normalize quite a bit.

And you would also have the following happen.

Laws that get passed would have more scrutiny because the lobbyists, if you go look at it, what percent of laws that are sponsored by a congressman are actually written by lobbyists?

That's him right there.

That's a jacket right there.

That's him.

Yeah, it was him.

He was the OG badass of lobbying until he got busted.

So there's the two things, Pat.

Elections would be easier for new people with ideas, and laws would no longer be written by lobbyists and then just say, okay, Patrick, we got you elected.

Here's the thing.