Viv Groskop

Increasingly, I'm seeing people overcome these things by allowing themselves to be how they are, whatever that looks like in front of others.

And that I think is amazing.

You know, you see it a lot on social media of speakers who are not necessarily very confident in

They're not necessarily very charismatic.

They're absolutely not the sort of people who would have gone to drama school.

And they're getting up there and they're doing it.

And they're asking people to meet them where they are.

And so the more we can see, I'm always encouraging bosses, you know,

no matter what level of manager or boss they are, they need to do this in front of their staff.

If you go red, if you shake, if you stutter a little bit, if you stumble, you know, whatever you do that makes you feel a bit embarrassed, do it in front of people.

It's incredibly inspiring for people to see that when you speak in front of people, when you could even be when you're at a party or when you go into any kind of encounter with other people,

that you're not perfect that you have flaws but you're going to get out there and do it anyway and i've heard from so many people in different walks of life that they've seen someone like this in their industry or in their area who isn't particularly brilliant at doing this and doesn't look particularly confident in a textbook way but they've got up there and they've done it anyway

and it then inspires others to think oh actually that person just comes across as real and natural and authentic and it doesn't matter if they've gone totally red in the face or they've stumbled over their words they've been able to say what they came here to say anyway and they've said it in a way that is totally natural so stopping waiting to be perfect that's really the key to all of this

Thanks, Mike.

It's been great talking to you.