Wagner Moura

Clabber Mendoza Filho.

Yeah.

But you did a pretty good job.

And I met him and I was like, dude, I want to work with you.

And then he invited me to be in his film Bacurau that he directed in 2018.

But I couldn't be in it because I was directing my own film.

And so we created this – and we were both always very – so we –

Kleber and I, we are very different people, but we see Brazil and we see the role of an artist in a very similar way.

We think that art and politics, they are not separated.

But this film is openly a political film because it comes from our shared perplexity over what was going on in Brazil from 2010.

18 to 2022 when Brazil elected democratically a fascist president.

And we were both very, Bolsonaro, and we were both very vocal against him.

And we both suffered the consequences of that.

So I think that the secret agent

came from that, from like, how can we, we wanted to work together, we wanted to do something together.

And so it's like the film about this man that is sticking with the values that he has when everything around him is saying the opposite.

It felt something that related a lot, resonated a lot with Clubber and I.

No, it was a very organic decision for me because I was making a film about... The film is called Marighella and it's about the leader of the armed resistance in Brazil against the dictatorship.

And that film that I directed was censored by Bolsonaro and all that.

And I couldn't... I mean, I...