Wagner Moura
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What divine experiences does Wagner Moura describe?
Have you ever experienced some divine power?
There's some moments on the stage that there is a connection. Something happens. It's like there's something going on that's not from these.
Between you, the audience, the third thing that becomes your connection.
And the third thing. Yes, the third thing. Exactly. That it's divine.
I'm Rachel Martin, and this is Wildcard, the show where cards control the conversation. Each week, my guest answers questions about their life, questions pulled from a deck of cards. They're allowed to skip one question and to flip one back on me. My guest this week is Wagner Mora.
There were moments where I was like, oh, I really need that money, man. Right. You know, but I'm like, I can't do this. I can't do that because otherwise I'll be miserable.
After watching the Brazilian film The Secret Agent, I came away with a deeper appreciation for how much fear, resolve, and longing can be communicated through a person's eyes. Wagner Moura subtly conveys all those emotions as a man on the run in a military dictatorship. Yes, there are powerful moments of dialogue, but so much of Wagner's talent as a storyteller and an actor comes in what is left unsaid.
How does Wagner Moura define the sacredness of performing?
How he uses the negative space to make us feel and to make us think. I am so very happy to welcome Wagner Mora to Wildcard. Hi.
That was a thoughtful introduction. Thank you.
Well, I'm very pleased to have you here. And many congratulations are in order because the film itself... has been nominated for several Academy Awards, and you yourself have been nominated, the first Brazilian male actor to be nominated in the Best Acting category for this film. Congrats!
Thank you. Thank you so much. We're very happy.
Well, we'll talk more about the movie in a few minutes, but we're just going to go. You ready to play this game?
Let's go.
What challenges did Wagner face in his acting career?
Yes, I am. I'm excited about it. Let's do it.
Let's try it out. First three cards, Wagner, you pick one, two, or three.
Three.
Three. That's this one. What did your parents teach you to love?
Elderly people.
Elderly people.
Yeah. My parents were very serious in, like, that we should always respect people that were older than we were. And that ended up translating to me, for what I do, the admiration and respect that I have for actors, especially in Brazil, that opened space for younger actors in terms of work opportunities. And it was hard to be an actor back in the beginning of the 20th century. So every time I meet up an actor that looks like in their 85, 90s right now, I know there is a reverence that I have towards these people that it's, yeah, that's very important to me.
Who was the elder person who they made sure you had connection with? Like, can you think of a person who?
Oh, yeah. There was this director that I worked with who was such an important person, theater director. Such an important person in my life as an artist. Unfortunately, he passed two, three years ago. His name is Aderbal Freire Filho. Theatre directors, it's interesting because they have these amazing careers, but their work... as it's theater, it disappears. If you go to the theater and you see a play, it's going to be in your memory and in your heart, and it's going to be there forever. But it's not recorded. It's not like movies that you can, oh, let's go and see the work of that director. Theater directors, like their art just burns. Ephemeral. It's ephemeral. He directed, when I played Hamlet in Brazil, he was the director, and there was such a pivotal moment of,
We've worked together many other times, but this one is very special. He gave me so many. And I was hanging out with him, exactly, to hang out with someone. We would go out, just the two of us. He was like, I was in my 30s back then, and he was, I guess, 79, 80. And we would go to bars and talk and spend the night together, drinking and talking life. And I really, really miss him.
Yeah.
I love that.
Okay. Three new cards. Three different cards. You pick again. One, two, or three.
Two.
Two. Similar but different. What's something someone told you that changed your trajectory?
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What divine experiences does Wagner Moura describe?
0:00–1:14
2
How does Wagner Moura define the sacredness of performing?
1:14–1:56
3
What challenges did Wagner face in his acting career?
1:56–5:35
4
How does Wagner Moura prioritize joy in his work?
5:35–6:29
5
What influences shaped Wagner's respect for older actors?
6:29–10:20
6
How does Wagner Moura view the intersection of art and politics?
10:20–12:04
7
What insights does Wagner share about aging and self-acceptance?
12:04–14:57
8
How does Wagner Moura reflect on life, death, and meaning?
14:57–43:36