Wagner Moura

hopelessly inquisitive man, just like you.

I will follow you.

So you're saying if somebody goes big, you don't want any part of that?

That's very nice.

Thank you very much.

Ooh, OK.

I think this is a film about a man who is sticking with his values when everything around him says the opposite of what he believes.

Yeah, it's a scene that sort of establishes, like, the logic of a dictatorship, right?

I would even say the logic of Brazil, because the dictatorship ended in 85, but it didn't really end in 85.

I mean, the echoes of the dictatorship are still there.

When we elected a far-right president in 1985,

in 2018, that man was sort of like a physical manifestation of those echoes.

I received one of the awards that we received, and I went up there to thank him.

I was like, thank you, because without him, we would never have done this film, because this film comes from

the director, Cláudio Mendonça Filho, and I sharing our perplexity over what was going on in Brazil from 2018 to 2022, when this man came, elected democratically, but he came to bring back the values of the dictatorship to Brazil in the 21st century.

So we were perplexed.

How can we...

Yeah, I don't see that as a responsibility.

I think that this is me.

This is how I behave as a human being.