Wayland Lum

Because if you didn't have to sacrifice, it'd be easy. And leadership isn't easy. And so picking up the torch, I think, is really critically important. And making that decision for every leader is this first step. And I guess the last thing I'll say about picking up the torch is leadership can be scary. I've found myself fearful in different situations and

Because if you didn't have to sacrifice, it'd be easy. And leadership isn't easy. And so picking up the torch, I think, is really critically important. And making that decision for every leader is this first step. And I guess the last thing I'll say about picking up the torch is leadership can be scary. I've found myself fearful in different situations and

just had to clench my teeth and move forward. But I think one thing perhaps maybe might be comforting to leaders, or at least a good reminder of what you're there for and why you're there, is that fear is a precursor to courage. So these two aspects of the human condition, they always appear in that order. You do not get courage without first experiencing fear.

just had to clench my teeth and move forward. But I think one thing perhaps maybe might be comforting to leaders, or at least a good reminder of what you're there for and why you're there, is that fear is a precursor to courage. So these two aspects of the human condition, they always appear in that order. You do not get courage without first experiencing fear.

And so as you understand that, when you understand yourself in those kinds of situations, you understand that you're probably in the places that you need to be making the decisions that you need to be making, and that's leadership.

And so as you understand that, when you understand yourself in those kinds of situations, you understand that you're probably in the places that you need to be making the decisions that you need to be making, and that's leadership.

Yeah. So it's Vincent. I love what you're sharing here. And actually I need to catch that movie myself. I've been meaning to do that because I've been hearing such great things.

Yeah. So it's Vincent. I love what you're sharing here. And actually I need to catch that movie myself. I've been meaning to do that because I've been hearing such great things.

And when it comes to these, these sort of like these emotions that are juxtaposed or two sides of the same coin, it's a good lesson for us as leaders, generally speaking, you know, another one, as I was listening to you, that comes to mind is love. For example, love that you have for somebody else, a deep love and with deep love,

And when it comes to these, these sort of like these emotions that are juxtaposed or two sides of the same coin, it's a good lesson for us as leaders, generally speaking, you know, another one, as I was listening to you, that comes to mind is love. For example, love that you have for somebody else, a deep love and with deep love,

can also come profound grief right when losing a loved one let's say and so these these strong emotions and the best of the emotions that you can experience in the world such as joy such as love they do come with also other profound emotions that can also be

can also come profound grief right when losing a loved one let's say and so these these strong emotions and the best of the emotions that you can experience in the world such as joy such as love they do come with also other profound emotions that can also be

at times devastating in one's life right understanding both of those things accepting that and going seeking love out anyways or wanting to be joyful knowing that there'll be days when there will be profound sadness and understanding and accepting that i think it's a bit of wisdom that that we're talking about here in terms of modern leadership because it's really an understanding of human nature both the human experience for oneself but also for others

at times devastating in one's life right understanding both of those things accepting that and going seeking love out anyways or wanting to be joyful knowing that there'll be days when there will be profound sadness and understanding and accepting that i think it's a bit of wisdom that that we're talking about here in terms of modern leadership because it's really an understanding of human nature both the human experience for oneself but also for others

Yeah, no, it's great. Thanks for having me, Vince. I'm looking forward to our conversation.

Yeah, no, it's great. Thanks for having me, Vince. I'm looking forward to our conversation.

I'm doing well, Vince. Yeah, it's another balmy day in Austin, Texas. And I'm looking forward to the summer as we chatted about before. So yeah, and also excited to be with you and have a great conversation.

I'm doing well, Vince. Yeah, it's another balmy day in Austin, Texas. And I'm looking forward to the summer as we chatted about before. So yeah, and also excited to be with you and have a great conversation.

Yeah, absolutely. Thanks, Vince. So I think early on, going back to undergrad, I knew early on that I had a desire to meld the disciplines of psychology and business. And so it was a very easy choice for me to study industrial organizational psychology. I did that at San Jose State, go Spartans.

Yeah, absolutely. Thanks, Vince. So I think early on, going back to undergrad, I knew early on that I had a desire to meld the disciplines of psychology and business. And so it was a very easy choice for me to study industrial organizational psychology. I did that at San Jose State, go Spartans.