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Waylon Wong

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
159 total appearances

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Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

This is when the insurance companies get an idea.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

They're like, if we can't get enough reinsurance from Lloyd's of London, maybe we could also go around them.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

You know, go straight to Wall Street.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

There's a whole world of investors out there.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

Maybe some of them might want to get in on this catastrophe reinsurance game.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

That is, unless a big enough hurricane strikes sometime during those couple of years.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

In that case, the investors don't get their money back.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

The insurance company gets to keep that $200 million and use it to cover people who are rebuilding their houses.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

For a long time, not that many investors were interested in catastrophe bonds.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

Because even if you believed Karen's models, you were still literally betting on hurricanes and natural disasters.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

These risks were a little too exotic for most of the starched shirts on Wall Street.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

And Ethan's firm specialized in what are called alternative investments, like buying out people's life insurance policies or betting on the future sales of some life-saving drug.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

And they were also early investors in catastrophe bonds, bought millions of dollars worth of them.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

For some people, diversification might mean, OK, instead of putting all of our savings into Apple stock, maybe we'll buy some IBM stock or McDonald's stock.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

Maybe we'll buy a little piece of every company in the S&P 500.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

This is why some people really like catastrophe bonds, because they tend to be so uncorrelated with your other investments.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

You know, the profits or losses at Microsoft and McDonald's have very little to do with chances that, say, a typhoon will or won't hit the Philippines next year.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

And Ethan says when you put cat bonds side by side with corporate bonds that are similarly risky, some cat bonds will pay you a lot more interest.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

When Ethan first got into cat bonds in the 2000s, the market was tiny.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

Over the past couple years, they have exploded into an almost $60 billion market, and one that is still growing exponentially.