Wayne Hsiung

Huh.

She said she did feel like there was space for her to do what she felt was right.

And, you know, this is part of what Wayne was trying to do, like to make it a moral decision.

Like even just giving them names, Lily and Lizzie, which, by the way, even the prosecution at one point started using.

I don't remember a lot of things from that trial, but I remember those two piglets' names.

Hmm.

And according to Justin, who actually interviewed all the jurors himself for his own research.

Both these ways of thinking were in the room, like they both played a part.

Okay, so, okay, now just zooming out, what did this case change after everything?

Well, in a legal sense, not much, really.

Wow.

That's not the answer I expected you were going to say.

Yeah.

I mean, so the best they could have hoped for was that actually there would be a guilty verdict and they could bring it to an appeals court.

And within an appeals court, you know, it could change case law.

Oh, funny.

He was too successful too early.

Yeah.

And what actually ended up happening is that state legislators after this case passed this law that said, you know, you can't use the animals being sick and therefore worthless as a defense.

For taking them.