Wayne Hsiung

So that actually backfired.

God.

Legally in Utah, it does sort of seem that way.

Yeah.

And like the other thing that seems to have come out of this is that companies and like prosecutors are they're like, OK, well, that was a disaster.

They don't want to go through that again.

Let's stop charging these activists with theft and, you know, maybe just charge them with trespass so that we don't get into this whole value debate.

Right.

Because otherwise we're drawing attention to the thing that we don't want to draw attention to.

Like it's like they're just avoiding they're ducking the fight.

Totally.

Like there was this whole other case in Wisconsin where two weeks before the trial was supposed to start, they dropped the charges.

And he and his team actually wrote it and they're like, no, we still want this trial.

Everything about this guy's story in these legal cases feels upside down, you know?

But if you think about it...

It makes sense.

Wayne actually needs the courts.

He needs this platform to force people to really sit in the confusion and grapple with these questions.

Yeah, right.

And that's exactly what happened to the jurors in this case.