Wayne

Hi, Carl.

Hi, Jackie.

Hi.

It's nice to talk to you.

Yeah, so just going back to that moment, so I was lying on top of my other daughter, my four-year-old, during the whole event, and we didn't know where Gigi was, so we had to wait until the shooting had stopped, and I was still lying on her, and no one was moving in the event, and I just recall I heard someone say, oh, they've got them, they've got them.

I just got up, I picked up, and I ran with my other daughter, and Vanessa was by the parking lot, and I passed her,

capri to vanessa and then i had to go back in and look for her and searching i was expecting the worst there was no one up and there was just so much you know so many people hurt and dead and when i saw my little girl and it was just yeah that feeling of relief when i when her face i could see she looked up at me and she had blood and i thought that was her blood and that was

It was terrifying.

Yeah, I can't tell you that moment when I knew I had my daughter safe, how...

Yeah, and amongst all that, you know, those feelings, just that emotion of absolute, yeah, beautiful emotion that I just had that I knew my daughter was alive and that I could take her back to my wife who I knew was just completely tormented and she was screaming and... For the entire 10 minutes of shooting, I made phone calls to Wayne and to my mother and saying that Gigi's dead.

Yeah, their sensitivity to noise.

A couple of weeks ago when it was thundering, it was just, you know, they were like ducking and wanting to be inside and scared and stuff.

Yeah, he, when I've looked at the videos and I know where I was lying on top of my daughter, if Ahmed Al Ahmed didn't disarm that gunman, he was walking in because when you see the videos, everyone was lying down and undercover.

They didn't know where to shoot.

Yes, yes.

He was coming down to, yeah, it was, he is, yeah, you can't celebrate that hero enough of how many lives that he's saved.

What are you guys doing today?

So when Vanessa first called me and said, have you got Gigi?

And I said, no.

And I thought, okay, I need to go look for her.