Wendell Potter

found some name and some outfit that they create and pay for and hire a PR firm to run that's behind it.

found some name and some outfit that they create and pay for and hire a PR firm to run that's behind it.

found some name and some outfit that they create and pay for and hire a PR firm to run that's behind it.

It's ridiculous. And it goes back to what we were talking about earlier about employers providing access to coverage. There's this law that was passed in the mid-70s to protect people's pension benefits, make it unlawful for employers to abscond with your retirement money. It's been interpreted over the years to apply to health benefits, and it gives employers enormous protection from state laws.

It's ridiculous. And it goes back to what we were talking about earlier about employers providing access to coverage. There's this law that was passed in the mid-70s to protect people's pension benefits, make it unlawful for employers to abscond with your retirement money. It's been interpreted over the years to apply to health benefits, and it gives employers enormous protection from state laws.

It's ridiculous. And it goes back to what we were talking about earlier about employers providing access to coverage. There's this law that was passed in the mid-70s to protect people's pension benefits, make it unlawful for employers to abscond with your retirement money. It's been interpreted over the years to apply to health benefits, and it gives employers enormous protection from state laws.

It makes them exempt from state laws, but it also makes it impossible for people to sue an insurance company or an employer and have much chance of recourse because the law says that all you can get is maybe a decision that the benefits were not administered correctly. So consequently, very few lawyers will take this case on.

It makes them exempt from state laws, but it also makes it impossible for people to sue an insurance company or an employer and have much chance of recourse because the law says that all you can get is maybe a decision that the benefits were not administered correctly. So consequently, very few lawyers will take this case on.

It makes them exempt from state laws, but it also makes it impossible for people to sue an insurance company or an employer and have much chance of recourse because the law says that all you can get is maybe a decision that the benefits were not administered correctly. So consequently, very few lawyers will take this case on.

I think Mark Geragos didn't fully appreciate the protections that employers and insurance companies have because of this law, and he was not able to get any money for this family.

I think Mark Geragos didn't fully appreciate the protections that employers and insurance companies have because of this law, and he was not able to get any money for this family.

I think Mark Geragos didn't fully appreciate the protections that employers and insurance companies have because of this law, and he was not able to get any money for this family.

Now you see why these companies make so much money, how they're able to pay their CEOs 20 plus million dollars every year and report profits of... one company like $30 billion a year. It's just stunning how much money they're making.

Now you see why these companies make so much money, how they're able to pay their CEOs 20 plus million dollars every year and report profits of... one company like $30 billion a year. It's just stunning how much money they're making.

Now you see why these companies make so much money, how they're able to pay their CEOs 20 plus million dollars every year and report profits of... one company like $30 billion a year. It's just stunning how much money they're making.

Exactly. You are able to throw money at influential folks to get them to carry your water for you. You mentioned the tobacco industry. That was a playbook that we followed, chapter and verse. And part of it is to form these front groups. Because if your industry has no credibility, you've got to have some outfit. And some allies, too. They will go to organizations like the U.S.

Exactly. You are able to throw money at influential folks to get them to carry your water for you. You mentioned the tobacco industry. That was a playbook that we followed, chapter and verse. And part of it is to form these front groups. Because if your industry has no credibility, you've got to have some outfit. And some allies, too. They will go to organizations like the U.S.

Exactly. You are able to throw money at influential folks to get them to carry your water for you. You mentioned the tobacco industry. That was a playbook that we followed, chapter and verse. And part of it is to form these front groups. Because if your industry has no credibility, you've got to have some outfit. And some allies, too. They will go to organizations like the U.S.

Chamber of Commerce and others that people hold with greater respect and believe are credible organizations that represent small businesses. And I can assure you the U.S. Chamber... It's not quite that. We worked with the U.S. Chamber and a lot of big organizations. We wanted to ally with them and let them carry our water for us because we couldn't do it ourselves.

Chamber of Commerce and others that people hold with greater respect and believe are credible organizations that represent small businesses. And I can assure you the U.S. Chamber... It's not quite that. We worked with the U.S. Chamber and a lot of big organizations. We wanted to ally with them and let them carry our water for us because we couldn't do it ourselves.